R2 w/ LiDAR, 19-inch wheels spied

[VSG]

But for a long-term purchase, I would rather not spend $60k+ OTD on the version right before a "better" hardware upgrade arrives

Again, there's always something better right around the corner. When solid state batteries are introduced "real soon" every single existing EV is going to be obsolete. So if you're talking about a vehicle as an investment, it's a very bad investment.

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[Coskigirl]

They won't ship LIDAR units until LE trim is over IMO. Can't see them giving you LIDAR/RAP1 and LE package, which includes Autonomy+. They may have test mules for LIDAR already, but scaling production, getting parts in, and adding to lines seems unlikely til next year.

I think it's that or they will give people the choice, LIDAR/RAP1 or Launch Edition in a transition period. You can't have both.

 

[rvnxyz001]

Again, there's always something better right around the corner. When solid state batteries are introduced "real soon" every single existing EV is going to be obsolete. So if you're talking about a vehicle as an investment, it's a very bad investment.

Well, this is not as unknown as solid-state; it is something that will be definitively released relatively soon.

 

[rvnxyz001]

I think it's that or they will give people the choice, LIDAR/RAP1 or Launch Edition in a transition period. You can't have both.

My reservation ETA is early 2027, and their system says I can keep it longer and preserve the LE if I want. Also, there's a two-month ETA to build the vehicle, so it's like almost a year from now...

 

[shandering]

I had interpreted data labeling as "HD maps" so you're correct that it uses regular maps, but that Data labeling task is also very labor intensive like how Waymo is doing with their scans. But you're wrong in saying Waymo is worse than Tesla, they have way more unsupervised driving experience than Tesla.

Data labeling is about training the neural networks and has nothing to do with mapping. Yes data labeling is a labor intensive task, but tesla would not be using hand-labeled data if they did not need it. Tesla knows what they need to do self driving. They know what data is needed and what can be used unlabled

look at what zoox does, They drive around, predict the trajectory of objects and stop from hitting things. The driving is horrendous otherwise. Bad phantom braking, bad understanding of road users, bad understanding of pedestrians, and missing a lot of behaviors. But it works because you can HD map and restrict the cars.

You can even theoretically sync to traffic lights and never have to identify them.

This is completely downplaying the work Waymo did. The maps are just the maps the cars should still be able to navigate around traffic and people and that's not that easy.

That's what waymo and other AVs are bad at. Look at waymo in parking lots. It's rude, otherwise it would never move. Waymo's understanding of how pedestrians are acting and moving is worse than tesla.

Other AVs don't even drive in parking lots at all. Parking lots have cars going every which way, pedestrians, etc. Zoox has shitloads of phantom braking on every drive. Imagine how they would react in a parking lot.

When wayve shows their demos they never take out from a parking spot or go in a parking lot.

Rivian had a "fake" driving demo during autonomy day and they did not drive in a parking lot. Rivian's demo did not understand traffic or pedestrians at all.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

LIDAR LIDAR LIDAR!

Definitely waiting for the G3. In a year, when the R2 launch is way in the rear view mirror, G3 is where all the updates will be for the following few years. Can’t justify an R2 Rivian told me will be the old version in a matter of months. I feel for the R1 G1 owners who, in their case, weee caught a little off guard by the short update lifespan of their R1s.

 

[rodhx]

LIDAR LIDAR LIDAR!

Definitely waiting for the G3. In a year, when the R2 launch is way in the rear view mirror, G3 is where all the updates will be for the following few years. Can’t justify an R2 Rivian told me will be the old version in a matter of months. I feel for the R1 G1 owners who, in their case, weee caught a little off guard by the short update lifespan of their R1s.

Don't feel sorry for us early adopters! We got a great deal on a great truck we have enjoyed for up to four years. They don't have a "short lifespan" any more than any vehicle that has an updated version come out next model year/generation. I'm happy with my Gen1 LE R1T even it gets no additional updates. But there is little chance that happens.

In other words... It's a truck, not a cell phone.

 

[VSG]

Well, this is not as unknown as solid-state; it is something that will be definitively released relatively soon.

RJ has been saying for a long time that it will be early 2027. As others have said the RAP chip is probably the bottleneck.

So we're talking a year, not a few months. If you want to wait a year then go ahead, but that changes the calculus doesn't it? I will be driving my R2 for a year while you're stuck on your much older tech current car until you're ready to upgrade. And on average I will be living with higher tech than you for at least two years. Probably longer if, as Rivian has said, the lidar will be used to develop the AI models and even the non-lidar vehicles will be able to run the same AI models. The capability that *requires* the lidar is several years in the future. As they keep telling us.

Likewise, believe what you will, but you *will* end up paying more for a lidar model, if for no reason other than you will have to pay for the things you get for free with the LE. Lifetime Autonomy+ will certainly go up in price in the future, (and it's currently only 1/3 of what Tesla was charging for lifetime FSD), so as it gets better there's a lot of room to charge more to cover the actual costs of development.

If we look back a year, Toyota was saying it would begin shipping solid state batteries by mid-2026. If you had waited for that, you would be worse off right now.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

Don't feel sorry for us early adopters! We got a great deal on a great truck we have enjoyed for up to four years. They don't have a "short lifespan" any more than any vehicle that has an updated version come out next model year/generation. I'm happy with my Gen1 LE R1T even it gets no additional updates. But there is little chance that happens.

In other words... It's a truck, not a cell phone.

With the pricing, that’s fair haha. Good point!

The telegraphed G2R2 iteration, however, is still a different beast to me.

 

[VSG]

Definitely waiting for the G3.

To be clear, it's not a Gen 3 - the R2 with lidar and RAP will be the same R2 as is shipping right now in all other ways. There will be no significant changes other than that. Rivian is calling the R2 a Gen 2.5. Don't make it out to be a bigger jump than it really is.

I feel for the R1 G1 owners who, in their case, weee caught a little off guard by the short update lifespan of their R1s.

I got my Gen 1 R1T LE for about $67k MSRP after tax credits. I have had no problems with it over the past 4 years, and I expect to keep it for at least another 10 years. I am getting updates every month, and the features and capability have improved significantly since I bought it, unlike any other vehicle I've ever owned. And if we're talking depreciation, I think the resale price is currently around $55k, which is excellent in terms of value retention. Not that I'm planning on selling, since it's so good.

I feel sorry for the Gen 2 Quad owners who had to spend twice as much for only a slightly better vehicle. You R2 buyers are going to get a very nice vehicle, but not as nice as my R1T which I bought for the same price.

I am really GLAD I got an early R1T, because I've been enjoying it for four years rather than delaying my purchase until the next, better generation comes along. You snooze you lose.

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

Here's the discussion on Reddit

Correct me if I’m wrong, but this looks like the R2 Premium with LiDar and 19” wheels. I didn’t think you could spec the Premium with 19” wheels, at least not on the website.

The reason why I say it’s a Premium and not a Standard or Performance is because it has the tow hooks (unlike the Standard), but no Compass Yellow brake calipers (at least not that I can see).

I really like how well integrated the LiDar bump is. It’s barely noticeable. What do you guys think?

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

To be clear, it's not a Gen 3 - the R2 with lidar and RAP will be the same R2 as is shipping right now in all other ways. There will be no significant changes other than that. Rivian is calling the R2 a Gen 2.5. Don't make it out to be a bigger jump than it really is.

Fair. G 2.5 is more accurate.

I’m all about autonomy though. So I’d like my vehicle purchased in 26/27 to be as capable as possible in 30/31.

 

[nsuglerio]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but this looks like the R2 Premium with LiDar and 19” wheels. I didn’t think you could spec the Premium with 19” wheels, at least not on the website.

The reason why I say it’s a Premium and not a Standard or Performance is because it has the tow hooks (unlike the Standard), but no Compass Yellow brake calipers (at least not that I can see).

I really like how well integrated the LiDar bump is. It’s barely noticeable. What do you guys think?

Yep the tow hooks in the front is the dead giveaway its a premium spec at the very least.

 

[rvnxyz001]

So we're talking a year, not a few months. If you want to wait a year then go ahead, but that changes the calculus doesn't it? I will be driving my R2 for a year while you're stuck on your much older tech current car until you're ready to upgrade.

My reservation ETA is 6mo+ away from now (just got an email from them). I don't have a choice anyway.

 

[Mos Eisley]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but this looks like the R2 Premium with LiDar and 19” wheels. I didn’t think you could spec the Premium with 19” wheels, at least not on the website.

The reason why I say it’s a Premium and not a Standard or Performance is because it has the tow hooks (unlike the Standard), but no Compass Yellow brake calipers (at least not that I can see).

I really like how well integrated the LiDar bump is. It’s barely noticeable. What do you guys think?

It was said in the Reddit post that tow hooks were now an option but I didn’t see it online

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