RivianTrackr: "Stop Buying EVs for the Trip You Take Twice a Year"

[Dennisis]

No. But would you be comfortable with a 20 mile buffer over 4 hours in -5 to 15 degree weather?

Clarify? Where did this 20 mile buffer come from now? Regardless, you’ll have to decide if you’re comfortable with the R2 or not, but in your situation it sounds like you have charging options. Not trying to talk you into it, just saying make an informed decision.

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[Platinumstorm]

Clarify? Where did this 20 mile buffer come from now? Regardless, you’ll have to decide if you’re comfortable with the R2 or not, but in your situation it sounds like you have charging options. Not trying to talk you into it, just saying make an informed decision.

I'm buying it, just wish there was more range.

The buffer is from range loss due to cold, and sitting for potentially hours without being able to charge, but also needing some climate control. Someone had said there would be around 200 miles with range loss due to cold, so that's where I'm counting 20 miles as a buffer. If it was 0 degrees outside in the dark, and I wasn't moving for 4 hours, how long would my battery last just heating the vehicle to around 65? I have no clue.

 

[Dennisis]

I'm buying it, just wish there was more range.

The buffer is from range loss due to cold, and sitting for potentially hours without being able to charge, but also needing some climate control. Someone had said there would be around 200 miles with range loss due to cold, so that's where I'm counting 20 miles as a buffer. If it was 0 degrees outside in the dark, and I wasn't moving for 4 hours, how long would my battery last just heating the vehicle to around 65? I have no clue.

Got it but you did say there a two charger locations along the route right? Even in a worse case scenario you’ll be fine, you’ll see with a bit of seat time. And enjoy! I have no dog in this fight but lots of experience and I hate to see people stress too much, in practice it’ll be great. All the best .

 

[Zorg]

Editorial is on point. Obviously needs vary, but I suspect that R2 will work just fine for most.

 

[windshieldfarmer]

I'm buying it, just wish there was more range.

The buffer is from range loss due to cold, and sitting for potentially hours without being able to charge, but also needing some climate control. Someone had said there would be around 200 miles with range loss due to cold, so that's where I'm counting 20 miles as a buffer. If it was 0 degrees outside in the dark, and I wasn't moving for 4 hours, how long would my battery last just heating the vehicle to around 65? I have no clue.

Sitting at a traffic light while in drive my BMW IX50 reflects KWH usage for climate control and non propulsion use. At zero degrees f I would estimate 6.0 kWh (assuming the car is already warm) which means you would use about 30% of a charge in 4 hours. I have no idea if the R2 is more or less efficient at heating than the BMW. They both have heat pumps but a 0 degrees I suspect resistant heat is primarily used. I’ve seen the W hit 9.5 kWh when first heating.

 

[forestwalker]

Then why would you make such an uninformed statement?

The I-5 corridor, where the vast majority of people living in the western states reside, drive, commute, is 55-60 through nearly all metropolitan areas. There are some rural stretches of cow pasture and farmland that are 65-70. You can be upset, and argue otherwise, you’d just be wrong. I imagine it’s a familiar experience.

 

[windshieldfarmer]

The I-5 corridor, where the vast majority of people living in the western states reside, drive, commute, is 55-60 through nearly all metropolitan areas. There are some rural stretches of cow pasture and farmland that are 65-70. You can be upset, and argue otherwise, you’d just be wrong. I imagine it’s a familiar experience.

Are you kidding…of course you are focused on a small microcosm of perspective without regard to those who regularly traverse through the deserts and the plains on long interstate routes. At some point I hope you get any opportunity to see the country as it really exists. Geez. Can’t argue with simple.

 

[srkz]

Counterpoint: why pick “good enough” when “better” exists?

If the answer is “because I like the style and vibes better” or “the back drop window is cool” then that’s fine, but if you do care about range vis-a-vis roadtripping quickly and with minimal stops (and tons of normal humans do) then telling people that their priorities are wrong because yours are different isn’t exactly a winning argument.

 

[forestwalker]

Are you kidding…of course you are focused on a small microcosm of perspective without regard to those who regularly traverse through the deserts and the plains on long interstate routes. At some point I hope you get any opportunity to see the country as it really exists. Geez. Can’t argue with simple.

Does, say, the Alcan count? (much slower than 70 btw, but gorgeous). You are correct. I, and most folks, historically don’t care about who/what occurs in flyover cornfield country KS, where most people are more concerned with the price of diesel.

 

[Zorg]

I don't get the arguments. Range is important for some less for others. People will buy accordingly. Good thing is that we have options and are about to get more. There is no right answer for everyone. For those living on the coastal areas, range is less of an issue other than personal patience for more stops vs less.

There is one great thing about more range though. On long trips is that it allows you to decide where to stop.

 

[Dennisis]

Sitting at a traffic light while in drive my BMW IX50 reflects KWH usage for climate control and non propulsion use. At zero degrees f I would estimate 6.0 kWh (assuming the car is already warm) which means you would use about 30% of a charge in 4 hours. I have no idea if the R2 is more or less efficient at heating than the BMW. They both have heat pumps but a 0 degrees I suspect resistant heat is primarily used. I’ve seen the W hit 9.5 kWh when first heating.

According to Gemini the Tesla model y Parked with Cabin Climate / Camp Mode On (Maintaining ~70°F at 0°F outside): ~1.0 to 1.6 kW per hour (1% to 2% battery capacity per hour), thanks to the efficiency of the Model Y's built-in heat pump. So less than 10% over 4 hours.
Not the R2 but gives you a more accurate estimate I expect. 30% would be crazy high.

 

[DuoRivians]

The I-5 corridor, where the vast majority of people living in the western states reside, drive, commute, is 55-60 through nearly all metropolitan areas. There are some rural stretches of cow pasture and farmland that are 65-70. You can be upset, and argue otherwise, you’d just be wrong. I imagine it’s a familiar experience.

I5 in California is minimum 75 mph, unless there is traffic. If you’re driving between LA and SF, that speed will be 80-85, unless you plan on staying behind big rigs in the right lane all the way.

 

[Zorg]

I5 in California is minimum 75 mph, unless there is traffic. If you’re driving between LA and SF, that speed will be 80-85, unless you plan on staying behind big rigs in the right lane all the way.

Semi speed limit is 55 in CA. They're not doing 75 on i5

 

[ksurfier]

Semi speed limit is 55 in CA. They're not doing 75 on i5

Yeah, it’s pretty frustrating, semis are going 60-65, other drivers passing 70-75, then the 80-85 30% weaving in and out of the semi lane…not a whole lot of fun…I prefer to take the coastal route even if a little slower…

 

[DuoRivians]

Semi speed limit is 55 in CA. They're not doing 75 on i5

Thus, if you’re not doing 80mph in the left lane, you’ll be stuck behind a semi going super low in the right lane

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