Please Help, My R1S is Bleeding Kilowatts

[hudesigns]

In New York City? That sounds like a multipath error in gps signals bouncing off buildings, for example. Bummer

https://rtkgpssurveyequipment.com/surveying-with-rtk-what-does-multipath-mean/

No. I think it’s related to Google map implementation by Rivian. (Similar situation with home garage door opener?) It’s better to let drivers manage scheduled charging without taking GPS location into consideration which causes more trouble than its worth unless you have a way to opt out. Too much half baked “forward” thinking without extensive field tests.

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[usulio]

No. I think it’s related to Google map implementation by Rivian. (Similar situation with home garage door opener?) It’s better to let drivers manage scheduled charging without taking GPS location into consideration which causes more trouble than its worth unless you have a way to opt out. Too much half baked “forward” thinking without extensive field tests.

Lots of Rivian features can be described as: we'll do the thinking for you, and when we do it wrong, you have no way to override.

 

[Rivian Roamer]

Lots of Rivian features can be described as: we'll do the thinking for you, and when we do it wrong, you have no way to override.

Rivian tries really hard to abstract the complexities of EV ownership from people. But like you said, when things fail they have no UX escape hatch.

 

[Rivian Roamer]

Yes, beneath the yellow circle. The Energy Monitor shows how much power is consumed by the car, the HVAC, the electrical outlets, and gear guard. Perhaps Hudesigns can post a photo that is zoomed out a bit more.

For my 3.5-hour time window on Thursday, the Energy Monitor screens showed the driving energy was 0.8 and the parked energy was 0.3. However, the Trip Meter logged a bogus 10 "traveling kilowatts". My travel efficiency was also bogus [1.0 divided by 10 = 0.16mi/kWh], and the projected range dropped just 2 miles. If I'd actually used those 10 kilowatts, the range should have dropped 20 miles or more.

FYI: RivianRoamer.com provides nice detail on each drive I make, but nothing sheds light on the mysterious extra "traveling kilowatts" that are logged while the car is parked.

It should at least tell you if you're vehicle is sleeping or on the daily view.

 

[hudesigns]

Stay like this for a few days now. I can never be certain when was last update. Absolutely need a date, year info there!

 

[KenCar]

It should at least tell you if you're vehicle is sleeping or on the daily view.

Thank you Rivian Roamer. I went back into your website and did find the detailed look at my car's day. I love the detail! My apologies for missing it.

Yesterday, I charged to 100% and made a couple short drives. Over the last 24 hours, my car used just 0.7kWh while parked. My car now has 96% remaining, with a projected range of 399 miles. I used 1/25th of the battery. My Trip Meter says I used 14kWh...10% of the battery. At this rate, I might "use" over 300kWh on a single charge! [14kWh multiplied by 25 = 350kWh]

 

[mudito]

Thank you Rivian Roamer. I went back into your website and did find the detailed look at my car's day. I love the detail! My apologies for missing it.

Yesterday, I charged to 100% and made a couple short drives. Over the last 24 hours, my car used just 0.7kWh while parked. My car now has 96% remaining, with a projected range of 399 miles. I used 1/25th of the battery. My Trip Meter says I used 14kWh...10% of the battery. At this rate, I might "use" over 300kWh on a single charge! [14kWh multiplied by 25 = 350kWh]

Just two things (cents) here:
1) Rivian Roamer is the best
2) The Activity graph definitely looks nice and normal. So probably just bad Rivian math?

 

[Rivian Roamer]

Y'all are too kind.

I'm glad you're enjoying it – let's keep an eye on it. I'm happy to pull raw data if you need/want to nerd out over it at some point. You can always reach me directly at [email protected]. I respond to every email.

I can also help provide data you can give to Rivian Service if it comes to that.

If you have ideas to how to help you diagnose this, I'm all ears. This goes for everyone on this thread as well. My goal is to democratize information. I basically want to turn the Riivan app data into a spreadsheet for everyone.

 

[KenCar]

A fellow Rivian owner, SurfnBike, posted his Rivian has 20,000 miles and his Trip Meter reads 25,000kWh! He has it worse than me, for sure. I am running a test from 100% SOC. At 70% SOC, my car has logged 94kWh...on track to at least double my battery's storage capacity. I opened a service ticket, though this is likely above the scope of a service center.

 

[mkhuffman]

A fellow Rivian owner, SurfnBike, posted his Rivian has 20,000 miles and his Trip Meter reads 25,000kWh! He has it worse than me, for sure. I am running a test from 100% SOC. At 70% SOC, my car has logged 94kWh...on track to at least double my battery's storage capacity. I opened a service ticket, though this is likely above the scope of a service center.

Doesn't that 94 kWh include regen?

On the Energy Monitor tab, you can see how much energy has been used in the drive. Some of that energy is from regen, not battery use. I am pretty sure that 94 kWh matches what is on the Energy Monitor tab.

Which means you have not used 94 kWh of battery. You have used 94 kWh to move the truck 96.5 miles, with some of that coming from regen.

I wish Rivian didn't report energy use that way. It really means nothing. What we care about is how much battery is used, not how much energy is used. At least that is what I care about.

It is so, so confusing.

 

[mudito]

A fellow Rivian owner, SurfnBike, posted his Rivian has 20,000 miles and his Trip Meter reads 25,000kWh! He has it worse than me, for sure. I am running a test from 100% SOC. At 70% SOC, my car has logged 94kWh...on track to at least double my battery's storage capacity. I opened a service ticket, though this is likely above the scope of a service center.

Interesting software bug, definitely. Keep us posted!

Doesn't that 94 kWh include regen?

On the Energy Monitor tab, you can see how much energy has been used in the drive. Some of that energy is from regen, not battery use. I am pretty sure that 94 kWh matches what is on the Energy Monitor tab.

Which means you have not used 94 kWh of battery. You have used 94 kWh to move the truck 96.5 miles, with some of that coming from regen.

I wish Rivian didn't report energy use that way. It really means nothing. What we care about is how much battery is used, not how much energy is used. At least that is what I care about.

It is so, so confusing.

Normally that counter will subtract regen from the consumed, so it will tell you NET kWh.

 

[Cycliste]

No. I think it’s related to Google map implementation by Rivian. (Similar situation with home garage door opener?) It’s better to let drivers manage scheduled charging without taking GPS location into consideration which causes more trouble than its worth unless you have a way to opt out. Too much half baked “forward” thinking without extensive field tests.

I just discovered that Google Maps has my address about 400 feet (122 meters) away from the house. Apparently, Rivian uses Google Maps for your address, and not latitude, longitude. I was finally able to submit a correction to Google. Now, how long will it take Google to fix this.

1. The Google Maps app for iPhone and iPad would hang. Using maps.google.com on an iPad would hang.
2. I had to use maps.google.com on a laptop in a browser.
3. Log into Google
4. Look up your address
5. Click the Suggest an edit on [your address]
6. Click Wrong pin location or address
7. Click Edit map location on the map
8. Drag the pin to your house
9. Click Save

 

[hudesigns]

I just discovered that Google Maps has my address about 400 feet (122 meters) away from the house. Apparently, Rivian uses Google Maps for your address, and not latitude, longitude. I was finally able to submit a correction to Google. Now, how long will it take Google to fix this.

1. The Google Maps app for iPhone and iPad would hang. Using maps.google.com on an iPad would hang.
2. I had to use maps.google.com on a laptop in a browser.
3. Log into Google
4. Look up your address
5. Click the Suggest an edit on [your address]
6. Click Wrong pin location or address
7. Click Edit map location on the map
8. Drag the pin to your house
9. Click Save

I remember there’s a way in your car to re-define home location. Also if you take a ride around corner and then go back to your usual home parking spot, it will correct itself sometimes. But what a hassle!

 

[Cycliste]

I submitted my edit to Google on 25 Feb, and it was accepted today. I checked the Rivian app and it now correctly shows my address where I’m parked. Problem solved!

The definition of an address isn’t based on GPS coordinates, but instead is in a database of addresses. Google had my address defined as a street corner some distance away. This throws off proximity locking because the truck's gps location doesn’t match the location defined for the address on Google.

Apple Maps used to be incorrect 15 years ago, but I submitted an edit and got it corrected. I never use Google Maps, so I never knew it was incorrect.

If I recall correctly, before Rivian used Google Maps, you defined home based on the vehicle’s gps coordinates. So no problem.

 

[KenCar]

Sorry this update took so long. I was going to run my battery all the way down, but I haven't driven in a week. The Trip Meter shows my car used 254kWh since its last charge. Yes, that is 112kWh more than the Max-pack holds.

Over the past 7 days, the vampire drain was 4kWh, the SOC dropped from 14% to 13%; and the “Trip kilowatts” climbed another 27kWh.

This morning, I spoke with Rivian Service Support and sent photos. I hope they can find the software bug.

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