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EV route planning is a thing— both through Apple Maps and the app “A better route planner”

It won’t- developers don’t care about a market 0.0000001% the size of the over 1 billion iPhones in active use.

It’s worse than you think— ~25,000 of those M3 miles are on race tracks! But, yeah— my daily commute was 120 miles for a while. That’s actually the reason I got the i3 originally. Plus, you know— had the M3 and M5 for 15-20 years, and drive them daily. It adds up. It’s not really about the...

All of my cars have wireless CarPlay in them. But yes, some retrofitting was required (not possible in something like a Rivian, where the infotainment controls everything) E.g…

Lack of CarPlay is 100% a deal breaker for me.

The R1T would be one of 6 cars we own, and probably the least driven. Even if I wanted to pay for more monthly recurring services (I don't), the truck would be one of the last places I did it :p ... plus I overwhelmingly listen to podcasts, which can only stay synced between cars by having them...

(but not if you have CP/AA, since that uses the existing data plan on your phone)

The problem is that all the benefits to not including carplay benefit Rivian, at the expense of the customer. In a competitive market, that would not work out. Rivian is not yet in a competitive market, sadly.

I would not pay for the service if they offered CP/AA, but I would buy the truck... which I won't if they don't. The only recurring monthly fees I pay for are insurance, phone bill, and home internet bill. That will not be changing. If I can't buy it outright, I don't want it.

I wouldn’t expect the Rivian to be driving autonomously this decade.

There’s actually nothing in that request that requires integration with the car. It’s not something you can currently do, but there’s no reason I see to think Alexa will be more capable of it in the future than Siri or okay google.

Apple did hire Porsche’s former head of chassis development, which makes me optimistic for their car.

So, best case, I can buy new hardware, in order to pay a subscription fee, for an inferior version of services not of my choosing? Compelling. , Even that is optimistic-- there's no option to upgrade the cellular module in my e46 or i3 to anything that can talk to the cellular networks online...

Lol. I wouldn't expect this debate to go anywhere. Imagine 10 years from now, when the first gen Rivian computers are old and SLOW, the on board modems can no longer connect to the cellular networks of the day, and everyone's phones have continued to get faster and more powerful year after year...

You know products can be differentiated by things other than branding and software, no? The rivian is HUGELY differentiated. 4 motors, no differentials, gear tunnel, electric bed cover, etc. arguably at this point people like Rivian in spite of their infotainment, because of their other...

I'm not sure Dbeglor's post that you're quoting is, as I don't see it anywhere in this thread. But, the upside would be selling more trucks.... which I'd like to think is their primary business model. This won't apply initially, as they work their way through the backlog of preorders and no...

100% this. If Rivian creates a more compelling experience than carplay, people will choose to use it. Competition (from CarPlay) should make Rivian's system better-- rarely does anything good come from a monopoly (e.g. Rivian's monopoly on the car's interface). There's a reason all car...

I don't follow Audi overly much (at all, really), but BMW does support it. Data acquisition is a significant reason to prefer CarPlay. Apple is about as good as it gets for consumer privacy, of the "real" companies.

Apple Maps in CarPlay already does all of that, for car manufactures that support it. The actual "start simple" move to be to enable CP/AA, to give a large swath of options, rapidly with minimal effort, and then build out their own system if they think they can do better. Adding AA/CP support...

I don't think it's a screen size issue. i4 has a large, wide screen (plus a second carplay display between the gauges): Bronco has a large 4:3 screen: