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  1. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    Yes. Not exactly convenient *by design* but thank you for pointing out that option because it definitely didn't exist when I preordered or purchased my R1S. I wonder how long that option has been available. I wonder if that can be done via mobile service. If so, I will definitely have it...
  2. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    Ah...ha! Fair enough. So, looks like they 1st published the privacy notice in 9/21 which was AFTER my 3/21 pre-order deposit, but it was at least there for my 6/23 purchase. That said, I guess since this was a first for me, I would have still been surprised that I couldn't opt out of it...
  3. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    So, we all know that the purchase process was NOT the same for everyone. I just reviewed ALL my emails prior o purchase and NONE contained any attachments until AFTER I signed the purchase agreement. YOUR purchase process may have been different for a number of reasons including your state...
  4. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    If the documents existed on the rivian.com site for me to read them like you said, then they are in the wayback machine. I'm giving you the benefit of doubt that they are they but I don't see them. The ball's in your court. If not, then I'm going to stick w/ you are not remembering correctly...
  5. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    What about you couldn't *opt out at purchase agreement signing* don't you understand. That's TOO LATE. The damage is already done. And yes, just because you CLAIM you read all the documents beforehand does NOT PROVE IT esp. when I gave you the links to the Rivian sites in the wayback...
  6. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    Having to sign a purchase agreement that does NOT allow you to opt out is NOT *commendable* when it could just as easily allow it. Again, shame on the politicians who do not champion consumer protection laws. Then again, as long as the manufacturers and their lobbyists are in their pockets...
  7. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    Of course you won't. Feel free to provide the links to the documents in the wayback machine where you found them before. I did plenty of research but when the data was NON-EXISTENT that's not on the researcher. PROVE IT.
  8. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    Please provide the link to the sample sales agreement in the wayback machine in March 2021 when I put down my $1K deposit or even in June 2023 when I purchased it because I don't see it and the burden of proof is on you. I'll be more than happy to say you were right, and I missed it. And you...
  9. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    The burden of proof is on YOU. Please provide the URL from the wayback machine in March 2021 when I placed my $1K preorder deposit because I do not see a purchase agreement, *data privacy* statement, nor *data collection* mentioned. And here's the wayback machine in June 2023 when I purchased...
  10. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    Absolutely FALSE. At the time I committed my $1k deposit there were ZERO other EV trucks on the market. And, until I was in the middle of several weeks of the sale after having to FedEx the final check to Rivain (ridiculous) I was shocked and appalled that I could not opt-out of the spyware...
  11. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    The sales agreement was NOT available for review until the truck was produced and the time where I had to provide the final payment. Design decisions that Ford made for the 2014 Expedition Limited that are SUPERIOR to Rivian's design decisions EVEN today... ZERO spyware REAL leather and not...
  12. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    It's not just about selling your data although that's definitely a major concern; it's also about WHEN (not IF) they get hacked with your data. So, glad Rivian is participating in DEF CON for WHEN they get hacked with YOUR data because they WILL BE HACKED and lose your data.
  13. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    So, the sales agreement was not provided until only AFTER I got an auto loan and provided Rivian a check for the remainder (probably after a trade-in for some?), and not when I pre-ordered it 27 months earlier;so saying, "you don't have to buy the product," is extremely disingenuous; it's like...
  14. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    The bottom line is that you should NOT have to agree on your sales agreement to collection of your location in real-time (among MANY other data) in order to purchase ANY consumer product. Making a service appointment to disable spyware is ridiculous considering how long it takes to get a...
  15. Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

    If Rivian really cared about customer privacy then they would allow *opt-out* for ALL data collection which they do not. See section 4 of your sales agreement as well as their privacy statement for details. 4. Data Policy Notice and Terms of Use You consent to Rivian and/or its affiliates...
  16. Maintenance Cost

    Speaking as a pre-order Gen1 owner with 50k+ miles on my R1S, and whose expectations from day 1 has been a *beta tester*, it's a boondoogle. Never needed it on ANY other vehicle by ANY other vehicle manufacturer, and if Rivian does find it necessary, then it should be covered under the...
  17. Maintenance Cost

    Not sure why anyone would need a multipoint inspection for ANY vehicle at 7,500 miles? Sounds like a total boondoggle to me. That said, if you don't already have the tools, a DIY tire rotation can cost you $500+ in tools alone by the time you buy the jack pucks, hydraulic floor jack(s), and...
  18. Rear Ended in Denver

    Sorry to hear. I was rear-ended and the driver had the minimum insurance $15K which probably didn't even cover the Honda Civic that he launched under my rear end. I still drove it to work and home but ended up costing $30k and took 5 months to get it back most of the time spent going back and...
  19. Gen 1 R1S RMaxx Rocksliders/Running Boards Jack Point Official Documentation?

    That's what I thought but I couldn't find any offiical documentation on the EV Sportline site. Would be great if there was some offiicial documentation for which we could point service providers to aleve their *liability concerns*. Thanks!





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