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The interest in the R2 is off the charts

Robotaxi, if it actually works as a level 4, is chasing the Uber/Lyft market. Except it will make sense mostly for fleets. The narrative of individual buyers renting out their Robotaxi seems far fetched to me.

Obviously if one didn't purchase FSD, one isn't owed anything. Figured this much was obvious. More importantly, 600k FSD purchases at say $8k a pop is a potential max refund liability of $4.8B. Put that way, this may be a great incentive to upgrade those owners.

My guess is that it'll never happen. Instead, discounts will be offered for a new car and that's that. The rest will get refunds through class action settlements

My gen2 R1S lease has another 2.5 years, so we will see what level of ADAS we get

Exactly. At level 3, Rivian is liable. I can't imagine Rivian taking responsibility for breaking the law. Could be wrong though.

Eyes off will be certain highways during daytime with good weather. Also, L3 will most likely have to follow highway speed limits. Still, would be awesome

Beemer gonna be a road trip machine for sure.

I love supercars, not the issue, but one can't really enjoy the potential of a Veyron legally on the road. They're still really cool.

Super cars have always been pointless unless one takes it to the track, or enjoys getting tickets.

If Rivian releases a faster charging gen3 R1, the point of an EREV is really moot.

By the time the Scout EREV shows up, modern EV will have fast charging that will make EREV mostly obsolete.

Post and ghost... Somebody just wanted to bitch.

Wholeheartedly agree. All my road trips have been on Tesla or Rivian autopilot. Makes a world of difference.

The driver tech in the gen2 Rivian is way better than gen1 (I got both). It's still not Tesla FSD but it's a very good highway ADAS. Frankly, until someone releases a level 3 point to point ADAS, I don't want point to point ADAS. I have tried Tesla FSD and it was amazing but it's also not fool...

For those that can swing it, the Porsche Cayenne looks pretty sweet.

I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese cars quality is so so. They come with new models every 2 years and prices there are super low to the massive excess capacity. So, it stands to reason that some shortcuts are taken.

I doubt that much forced labor is involved in building cars, especially with dark factories. On the topic of IP, the issue is now being flipped on its head. China has taken the lead on many EV related technologies. For example, Ford LFP battery factory is licensing IP from CATL (IIRC). I...

My understanding is that the bulk of the subsidies in China are from local governments. While a theoretically centralized economy, China is the most competitive market for EVs in the world. What Xiaomi has pulled off is impressive.

Got Toyo AT tires but weren't aired down . Didn't matter. It was deep and slick and nothing would have changed the outcome. Lesson is: don't drive your 7000# rig in a pool of slick mud.