Cybertruck didn't need to go ugly early - Autoevolution article

[COdogman]

Am assuming that with a 12/21 order date you missed all of the same with Rivian, as we all were eager for any official specs to be released. Didn’t make the R1T/S any less real and doesn’t make the CT less real.

Just because I put my deposit down in 12/21 does not mean that's when I started following Rivian. I had been watching them from the start. There were far more details known about the Rivian this close to production when compared with the CT (assuming we are that close to production of the CT).

Don't get me wrong - I understand what Tesla is doing. I simply find it humorous that CT fans come here claiming they know what the specs actually are. They come here making statements of fact, as if they know these things to be true. The only source for CT info so far is a pathological liar with a Twitter addiction so strong he failed to not buy the company.

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[COdogman]

Don't forget Elon also said it'd have sonar, but didn't elaborate. It'd be pretty cool if the cybertruck shipped with fishfinding equipment.

And a transformer like snow plow for @Count Orlok!

 

[Count Orlok]

We know 90% of what the Cybertruck is. We don't know how much Tesla has raised the price.

It's odd that some people want assert that there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding CT. Tesla's core technology is well defined.

90%? more like 30%.

 

[Dark-Fx]

It's odd that some people want assert that there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding CT. Tesla's core technology is well defined.

That's actually a big reason there is a lot of uncertainty. The cybertruck is supposed to break out of the shell of what Tesla has done so far, but Tesla hasn't demonstrated the aspects of it that are important to pickup truck buyers.

Traditional vehicles that have 3500 lb payload and 14,000 lbs towing capacity with giant AT tires don't drive like sportscars. Tesla is still laying claim to both things.

 

[zipzag]

90%? more like 30%.

You may know 30%. But you like the idea of Tesla not building a compelling truck.

 

[manitou202]

I don't find the Cybertruck attractive in anyway. I have no problem with people who love the look. My biggest complaint is when it was announced (I was still a Tesla fan at that time) it was sold as a completely revolutionary way to design a pickup, that would cost so much less than a traditional EV truck design, and it was the only EV truck concept. So I was willing to give the looks a pass, and reserved one at that time.

Fast forward 4 years, my Model X ownership experience wasn't great, Elon continues to exaggerate (that is being nice) on many Tesla features, and we still don't have a production Cybertruck. Instead we have three other EV trucks on the market which are really nice products, three more announced and the Cybertruck is starting to look outdated before it even launches. The only advantage in my opinion, the charging network, is about to go away. The stainless steel exoskeleton is starting to look more and more like a boondoggle.

I guess we will need to wait to see the final specs, but I have a feeling it will be a disappointment for many. Especially the price. If people are simply buying this vehicle because it's obnoxious and they want the attention, then I will put then in the same class as a Hummer, G-Wagon, and other douchey vehicles.

 

[Count Orlok]

You may know 30%. But you like the idea of Tesla not building a compelling truck.

a compelling truck that has almost no specifications in the public domain? range? specific towing specs? can the front end handle a plow? third wheel capable? will the vault box interfere with loading with a Bobcat? price of various trims? What we know thus far is it will appeal to Kowdashian fans who want to impress the valet.

I'll be at another livestock auction soon and I'm going to show pictures and "possible" specs to the farmers/ranchers that are "truck users" and ask if they want one. Frankly that probably is more market research than tesla has conducted with truck users.

 

[mkg3]

Nice job attempting to change the subject. I could ask you the same thing: Do you KNOW him personally? Or is it the case that you believe what Elon says and does "online"?

I wasn't trying to change the subject. I do not know him but I have met him in a meeting, some years back.

....And that isn't the only such accusation against him.

Are you saying just because one is accused, it's true and guilty?? Those accusations have not been proven to be facts.

Tesla defenders now love to try to separate Musk - the man they credit with the company's success - from all the things he says and does in real life. That worked for awhile, but now his behavior has gotten much worse and often overshadows any success he has achieved. Not that any Tesla Stans will ever admit it. Now you act like his comments *shouldn't* be taken seriously or that other people run Tesla and he has little to do with it. Which is it?

While Tesla is more than Elon Musk, I've never said anything that resemble your statement. I believe Tesla valuation and the hype is there because of Elon. It's also because of Elon, Tesla doesn't need to advertize. So he is just like how Steve Jobs was to Apple in his second stint. Now Tim Cook is running the ship and is a much more profitable and significantly larger company, albeit at the cost of creativity and innovations.

All I'm saying is that bash CT for CT sake, and if you want to continue to bash Musk, then bash him for who he is, not bash CT using Musk as a reason.

 

[COdogman]

We know 90% of what the Cybertruck is. We don't know how much Tesla has raised the price.

It's odd that some people want assert that there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding CT. Tesla's core technology is well defined.

So you know (for a fact) these basic things?

1. Price
2. Range
3. Weight
4. Dimensions
5. Payload
6. Towing capacity
7. suspension details
8. Interior details
9. Safety test results

To my knowledge only 1 of those things is even attempted to be answered on their website and even that hasn't been confirmed. ?‍

Why is it so hard to just say you don't know yet what it will be? Try it - set yourself free.

 

[mkg3]

It will go down as the decision that halted Tesla's monumental rise and potential to be the most powerful auto manufacturer in the world. Hubris and juvenile obsession for fandom over customer engagement is Elon's downfall. Elon overcommitted resources to the CyberTruck just like he did with Twitter and now they are both massive expenditures that are not paying out. But more importantly, Tesla could have crushed rivals like Rivian with a pickup truck design that appealed to actual truck buyers instead of just Tesla fanboys.

Your insight and understanding of Tesla's internal resource allocation is amazing. Also your automotive market knowledge product placement is too.

 

[zipzag]

That's actually a big reason there is a lot of uncertainty. The cybertruck is supposed to break out of the shell of what Tesla has done so far, but Tesla hasn't demonstrated the aspects of it that are important to pickup truck buyers.

Traditional vehicles that have 3500 lb payload and 14,000 lbs towing capacity with giant AT tires don't drive like sportscars. Tesla is still laying claim to both things.

It matters to almost no one that it has a 3500lb payload. I hope it doesn't. It will tow a crapton like all EV trucks.

I don't expect CT to even take half its sales from the full size pickup market. I don't believe that Tesla does either.

Tesla defines its own market segments. The majority of model 3 buyers were not looking for a mid size four door sedan. The model Y is not an SUV but a huge number of buyers are willing to play along with that fiction. Similarly, it seems a significant number of R1T buyers are not truck buyers. They are excited about the features of the vehicle and decided that the form could work for them.

A couple of Illinois corn farmers are on this forum waiting for the R1T. I also own an Illinois farm (not a farmer). The R1T is not the best tool as a typical farm pickup. But its the vehicle they want. The CT defines its own category, will be a heavy duty truck, and the vast majority of the million reservation holders don't care about precise specs.

 

[Dark-Fx]

It matters to almost no one that it has a 3500lb payload. I hope it doesn't.

The CT defines its own category, will be a heavy duty truck

Man, even you are talking out of both sides of your mouth here on what the cybertruck is. Can't be wrong if I've said both things!

 

[COdogman]

I wasn't trying to change the subject. I do not know him but I have met him in a meeting, some years back.

Are you saying just because one is accused, it's true and guilty?? Those accusations have not been proven to be facts.

While Tesla is more than Elon Musk, I've never said anything that resemble your statement. I believe Tesla valuation and the hype is there because of Elon. It's also because of Elon, Tesla doesn't need to advertize. So he is just like how Steve Jobs was to Apple in his second stint. Now Tim Cook is running the ship and is a much more profitable and significantly larger company, albeit at the cost of creativity and innovations.

All I'm saying is that bash CT for CT sake, and if you want to continue to bash Musk, then bash him for who he is, not bash CT using Musk as a reason.

"Met him in a meeting some years back"? So you do or don't KNOW him? Because that was the standard for my commentary in your last post. ?

Again, I could ask you the same thing about the accusations: Do you know them to be NOT true? Do you think these women enjoy being dragged by Musk fans when attempting to get justice for something they say really happened?

Allow me to be more clear: CT is Musk and Musk is CT. No CEO has ever created a more perfect embodiment of his own personality than Musk has with this truck. It is a geometric Musk fever dream of outrageous claims and overcompensation.

 

[moosehead]

We'll have to see in couple of years. If its a huge hit, then your views maybe misguided.

If it's a flop, then you may be right. Time will tell...

I predict the CT will be wildly popular with folks who like absolutely hideous vehicles.

 

[zipzag]

So you know (for a fact) these basic things?

1. Price
2. Range
3. Weight
4. Dimensions
5. Payload
6. Towing capacity
7. suspension details
8. Interior details
9. Safety test results

To my knowledge only 1 of those things is even attempted to be answered on their website and even that hasn't been confirmed. ?‍

Why is it so hard to just say you don't know yet what it will be? Try it - set yourself free.

Big, heavy, fast, substaintial payload, substaintial towing, priced between 3/Y and S/X. Interior 3/Y quality but with a 17" screen. Stupid yoke steering wheel but with a round option at additional cost.

No one is purchasing the CT based on precise specs any more than the R1T buyer. "If the R1T only tows 10,000 pounds I'm not buying" was said by no one.

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