EV9 Details Revealed, 2023 release

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Same reason there aren't more ICE minivans. They don't sell. People would rather buy a SUV. Even though a minivan would probably be better for families.

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[Tango45]

I'm very interested to see the pricing on this. I had a 2020 Hyundai Palisade that I traded in for an Ioniq 5. The dealer turned around and posted my Palisade for the same price I paid for it 20k miles and two years ago. A new Kia Telluride or Hyundai Palisade will run you $33k to $52k MSRP, depending on trim and options. If you assume that there's a general $10k premium on EVs over equivalent ICE vehicles, these would run about mid/low $40k to mid/low $60k. The current mark-ups and low inventory of Tellurides and Palisades implies that they are in high demand; Kia and Hyundai have built prestige with the vehicles, and there's room for upward movement on the demand curve. However, they (Kia & Hyundai) will also want to leave room for the Genesis version of the platform without driving the cost of that into a range where it is competing with makers whose lunch Kia & Hyundai are trying to eat. Another factor in the pricing mix is that the Ioniq 5 and EV6 start at the mid-low $40k; Kia & Hyundai will not want to cannibalize sales of those vehicles by pricing the EV9 and Ioniq 7 too low. I would estimate that the two vehicles will be priced from the low $50k to the high $60k range, with them trying to stay below $70k so that the Genesis versions can run in the high $60k - mid/low $80k (or higher) range. But that's all just conjecture...

As for the quality of Hyundai and Kia, if you haven't been in a higher-spec Telluride or Palisade, you should take a look. H&K are not mucking about. My Limited Palisade exuded quality and could easily pass for a luxury vehicle (BMW/Merc, not Bentley/RR). I've been impressed with my Ioniq 5 Limited along the same lines, in terms of styling, quality, and tech. If the R1S we have on order had turned into a $95k vehicle, I can guarantee you we would have ended up in an Ioniq 7. I expect that the R1S (quad motor, large battery) will be a superior vehicle to the Ioniq7/EV9 in several respects, but I also fully expect that they will be competitors with people cross-shopping between the two of them. The Ioniq 7/EV9 will pick up buyers for whom the R1S is a bit expensive and those who aren't familiar with or willing to put stock in a new company like Rivian (or if Rivian runs into issues in the future). The Genesis version will be a direct competitor to the R1S... I'm sure Rivian already knows this and is planning accordingly, or at least I hope so.

 

[jjswan33]

I'm very interested to see the pricing on this. I had a 2020 Hyundai Palisade that I traded in for an Ioniq 5. The dealer turned around and posted my Palisade for the same price I paid for it 20k miles and two years ago. A new Kia Telluride or Hyundai Palisade will run you $33k to $52k MSRP, depending on trim and options. If you assume that there's a general $10k premium on EVs over equivalent ICE vehicles, these would run about mid/low $40k to mid/low $60k. The current mark-ups and low inventory of Tellurides and Palisades implies that they are in high demand; Kia and Hyundai have built prestige with the vehicles, and there's room for upward movement on the demand curve. However, they (Kia & Hyundai) will also want to leave room for the Genesis version of the platform without driving the cost of that into a range where it is competing with makers whose lunch Kia & Hyundai are trying to eat. Another factor in the pricing mix is that the Ioniq 5 and EV6 start at the mid-low $40k; Kia & Hyundai will not want to cannibalize sales of those vehicles by pricing the EV9 and Ioniq 7 too low. I would estimate that the two vehicles will be priced from the low $50k to the high $60k range, with them trying to stay below $70k so that the Genesis versions can run in the high $60k - mid/low $80k (or higher) range. But that's all just conjecture...

As for the quality of Hyundai and Kia, if you haven't been in a higher-spec Telluride or Palisade, you should take a look. H&K are not mucking about. My Limited Palisade exuded quality and could easily pass for a luxury vehicle (BMW/Merc, not Bentley/RR). I've been impressed with my Ioniq 5 Limited along the same lines, in terms of styling, quality, and tech. If the R1S we have on order had turned into a $95k vehicle, I can guarantee you we would have ended up in an Ioniq 7. I expect that the R1S (quad motor, large battery) will be a superior vehicle to the Ioniq7/EV9 in several respects, but I also fully expect that they will be competitors with people cross-shopping between the two of them. The Ioniq 7/EV9 will pick up buyers for whom the R1S is a bit expensive and those who aren't familiar with or willing to put stock in a new company like Rivian (or if Rivian runs into issues in the future). The Genesis version will be a direct competitor to the R1S... I'm sure Rivian already knows this and is planning accordingly, or at least I hope so.

Keep in mind the EV6 is 40-60k and most trim lines are >50k. They might have a basic trim for below $50k but I suspect it will max out around $70k.

 

[ERguy]

Keep in mind the EV6 is 40-60k and most trim lines are >50k. They might have a basic trim for below $50k but I suspect it will max out around $70k.

Even at $70k for a top of the line EV7, it will likely be a huge hit.

If Kia can make a fully loaded EV7 with AWD and a range of at least 275 miles for <$70k, it will absolutely dominate the market... Just like the Telluride did.

 

[R1Simon]

2023/2024 will be very interesting with regards to BEV truck and SUV landscape (If WW3 or a new variant does not wipe everything out).

How dare you forget imminent climate disaster

 

[Max]

How dare you forget imminent climate disaster

we need more hurricanes so the wind turbines can feed Hummers and R1Ts

 

[JerseyGreens]

If the EV9 comes in fully loaded at 70k with 300ish mile range and 800v charging...watch out. They will definitely dominate this space.

 

[Gamma rays]

If the EV9 comes in fully loaded at 70k with 300ish mile range and 800v charging...watch out. They will definitely dominate this space.

Isn't that pretty much the R1S with pre-March 1 pricing? Can Hyundai/Kia make those numbers work while Rivian can't moving forward?

GR

 

[manitou202]

Isn't that pretty much the R1S with pre-March 1 pricing? Can Hyundai/Kia make those numbers work while Rivian can't moving forward?

GR

The post March 1st pricing is still close. A dual motor R1S with the large battery pack is $78k. I doubt the Kia with have quad motors, 800hp, and serious off-road capabilities like the original R1S.

By the time this hits the market, Rivian might have their 800V architecture to be more competitive.

 

[mgc0216]

Isn't that pretty much the R1S with pre-March 1 pricing? Can Hyundai/Kia make those numbers work while Rivian can't moving forward?

GR

I wouldn't compare these two outside of they both seat seven and they are both EVs.

I can't imagine the EV9 has the suspension or off road chops that the R1S does. I also imagine the R1S has a better interior (but that's pure speculation).

 

[koersontap]

I wouldn't compare these two outside of they both seat seven and they are both EVs.

I wouldn't underestimate how many of us there are, that those two factors are the two minimum requirements.

 

[SeaGeo]

I wouldn't underestimate how many of us there are, that those two factors are the two minimum requirements.

Yep. The SUV will/would be for my wife and when we carry people around. Pavement princess. My truck will do the fun things.

 

[koersontap]

Yep. The SUV will/would be for my wife and when we carry people around. Pavement princess. My truck will do the fun things.

I mean, will I *look* for excuses to take it fun places and get dirty? You bet your ass. But mine will most assuredly be a pavement princess too.

Just like with any princess though, just be glad if they like it dirty, too.

 

[jjswan33]

I wouldn't compare these two outside of they both seat seven and they are both EVs.

I can't imagine the EV9 has the suspension or off road chops that the R1S does. I also imagine the R1S has a better interior (but that's pure speculation).

Well I can't compare the EV9 since, only concept as of now, but I can compare to an EV6, with the EV9 being the flagship it will likely be nicer.

Had the EV6 for about a month and the R1T for exactly a day but:

Offroad capability - R1T all day but the EV6 handles well in the snow etc as long as it has enough ground clearance.

Interior - Tie - Comparable Vegan leather, EV6 is more futuristic style but it has a roof that opens.

On road - EV6 - While not as fast as the R1T it is fast and a bit more nimble, also more efficient. Feels more stable cornering of corse I have AT tires on the R1T.

Driver Assist - EV6 - At least today. Rivian can obviously improve with OTA

Audio - R1T - it is louder, more bass. even with using phone audio over bluetooth vs connected Apple Car Play in the EV6. (Still wish the R1T had CarPlay)

Will I buy an EV9, probably not but don't sleep on Kia. I read something recently about Kia coming to market with 2 EV trucks, maybe we will get the larger of the two in the US. That would be interesting.

 

[ERguy]

This will even have a "Magic Roof" similar to the electrochromic roof Rivian initially planned to use.

I think a lot of people mistakenly think Kias feel and look cheap. That couldn't be farther from the truth.

I test drove an EV 6. It was super nice. It did not feel or look cheap. In fact, I would say the lane centering and driver assist features are some of the best right now in terms of smoothness.

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