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Texas charges $400 for EV road use tax which I think is high.
The tax should reflect miles driven. And as shown earlier our trucks don’t affect pavement deterioration very much.
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but the tax on electricity isn't allocated to funding roads and, yes, schools like the gas tax here in TX. if they started doing that then the taxes on the electricity would go up substantially.
The tax on gasoline is woefully insufficient to pay for road construction and maintenance. Most road construction and maintenance comes from general revenues, which everyone pays into. To act like ICE vehicle owners have some virtuous claim, due to the minimal gas tax, ignores the reality.
 

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Here's some information for California:
  • Approximately 80% of highway and road repairs are funded by a tax on gasoline charged at the pump when you buy gas. The more gas you buy, the more you pay in gas taxes and the more you contribute to highway and road repairs.
  • On average, Californians pay about $300 a year in state gas taxes.
  • Various state fees also support transportation. Trucks pay weight fees and zero-emission vehicle owners pay $118 each year, and all vehicle owners pay a transportation improvement fee.
  • Some counties also charge a local sales tax to further invest in road and transit needs or have tolls on bridges or certain highways.
  • The public may also pass state bonds to invest in additional transportation needs.
 

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Axle weight is the single largest contributor to road degradation. Our trucks have an ~20% increase in Axle weight in your example. This excess damage is observable and measurable.

Yes, commercial vehicle traffic is the largest contributor to the damage, but it's ignorant to claim that our vehicles don't cause more damage than lighter vehicles.
I traded in a diesel F-250 standard bed for my R1T and my vehicle weight went down about 1000 pounds. That weight tax was a big surprise, especially since my vehicle weight went down. It is what it is and the price we pay for driving the fastest non-ridiculous looking truck on the road, but it's not really rooted in making everyone pay their fair share. That would have taken some thought and analysis by the law makers.
 

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Is this really an open thread? Crazy how many Karens we got in here...

Also, in Tejas, the 1st year is $400 then it drops to $200 thereafter.

Some of y'all don't know how to math correctly. I'll gladly pay an extra $100 per year if they did more work to upkeep the roads around Austin better. No idea why they repaved my section of Menacha when it was already in great shape compared to William Cannon's shitty ass pavement.

Oh fuck me... I got the Karen bug now... FML
 

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Texas charges $400 for EV road use tax which I think is high.
No it doesn't. It's $200 per year, but they make you pay for the first two years up front. If you total it before the start of year two, you get a refund. They did this with regular inspection stickers on new cars for years, then did away with the inspections altogether (but not the $7.50 fee). The only inspections in Texas now are in some counties with smog inspection, but we don't get that, and the state eliminates that fee in the counties that do.
 

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Sorry if this was answered already. only had time to skim comments. I was wondering if Amazon, Fed Ex, DHL, uber, DoorDash etc… pay anything extra to states for miles, weight, highway/street, degradation. In my opinion all the heavy vehicles traveling on our highway system should be charged accordingly. Registration for my R1T is over $1200/year. My mileage after 2years is 4000 something. The commercial vehicle companies should pay through the nose.
 

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It’s interesting that the people whining about EVs not paying enough in taxes for road maintenance, are the people most likely to whine about paying any taxes at all, themselves. Odd.
 

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Here's some information for California:
  • Approximately 80% of highway and road repairs are funded by a tax on gasoline charged at the pump when you buy gas. The more gas you buy, the more you pay in gas taxes and the more you contribute to highway and road repairs.
  • On average, Californians pay about $300 a year in state gas taxes.
  • Various state fees also support transportation. Trucks pay weight fees and zero-emission vehicle owners pay $118 each year, and all vehicle owners pay a transportation improvement fee.
  • Some counties also charge a local sales tax to further invest in road and transit needs or have tolls on bridges or certain highways.
  • The public may also pass state bonds to invest in additional transportation needs.
California is one of the few states that have a high enough gas tax such that it pays for a really significant portion of highway work. Also note that it says "repairs," not construction. Everyone, regardless of car type or use, is paying for construction (and for that other 20% of repairs). Everyone is also paying for the health detriments from burning fossil fuels - effects on heart, lungs, and hospitalizations and excess (early) deaths.
In Maricopa County (Arizona) there is an additional .5% sales tax that is earmarked for transportation, in addition to other revenues - everyone pays that (unless they buy goods outside of Maricopa County, but use the roads inside Maricopa County).
 

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One major problem with per mile, who will track it and how? Are you giving the government access to your mileage and location data now? I could see this being an unconstitutional privacy violation.
Well, I have to self report it anyway as a small business owner.
 

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And I suppose this would keep people like me honest. Can't under report or you miss out on the write off. Can't over report because then you get killed on the road tax.
They already have audits for that. You have to keep your log so if you overreport, you're going to be facing some stiff penalties. The IRS doesn't care for tax cheats, and falsifying records can count as willful.
 

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They already have audits for that. You have to keep your log so if you overreport, you're going to be facing some stiff penalties. The IRS doesn't care for tax cheats, and falsifying records can count as willful.
Yeah, I actually know quite a bit about that and the IRS isn't out there trying to find people over reporting mileage. Not that you should try to get away with it, but that's just not a great ROI for them. They do have "red flag" thresholds for different business types that if you fall outside, it will trigger at least an eyes-on review that could potentially trigger an audit.
 
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Yeah, I actually know quite a bit about that and the IRS isn't out there trying to find people over reporting mileage. Not that you should try to get away with it, but that's just not a great ROI for them. They do have "reg flag" thresholds for different business types that is you fall outside, it will trigger at least an eyes-on review that could potentially trigger an audit.
That depends on your overall tax bracket I'd be willing to wager. My business got audited this past year, and I was glad we follow all the rules as best we can. We had to pay some minor something, they always find something, and it was fairly painless.
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