Feature "loss" between R1S and R2?

[timf]

The power close frunk was the biggest feature missing from the R2 prototype that I'd like to see included on the production model.

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[mc242x]

I've never understood the appeal of in-car camping anyway. Having to clear the space to sleep seems like such a hassle (camping is hassle-enough already). If you really love camping that much, get a towable pop-up or something. Or a RTT.

Regarding Tesla...I've never been less comfortable in the back seat of a car as I was in a newer model 3. It's like getting dragged down a gravel road in a plastic storage bin behind a drunk Uber-eats driver. No thanks.

 

[Ostrichsak]

I've never understood the appeal of in-car camping anyway. Having to clear the space to sleep seems like such a hassle (camping is hassle-enough already). If you really love camping that much, get a towable pop-up or something. Or a RTT.

Regarding Tesla...I've never been less comfortable in the back seat of a car as I was in a newer model 3. It's like getting dragged down a gravel road in a plastic storage bin behind a drunk Uber-eats driver. No thanks.

Who says you have to clear the space to sleep? When we travel, we typically just leave the rear seats folded and the queen-size mattress inflated. We can literally lay down to relax while Supercharging if we want.

 

[HaveBlue]

As I said, it's not about length to sleep so I'm not sure why people keep assuming that's the only reason.

You seem pretty sure it's the DOT that wouldn't allow it. Got a link to some official information about that being the reason it's not happening?

I was told verbally by Rivian at an R2 presentation.

 

[HaveBlue]

I've never understood the appeal of in-car camping anyway. Having to clear the space to sleep seems like such a hassle (camping is hassle-enough already). If you really love camping that much, get a towable pop-up or something. Or a RTT.

Regarding Tesla...I've never been less comfortable in the back seat of a car as I was in a newer model 3. It's like getting dragged down a gravel road in a plastic storage bin behind a drunk Uber-eats driver. No thanks.

I've slept in my R1 as an afterthought. Happened to toss sleeping bags in the Frunk. It was very comfortable.

Sometimes sleep in something bigger though.

 

[Ostrichsak]

I was told verbally by Rivian at an R2 presentation.

A valuable lesson in the simple fact that not every representative of a company knows what they're talking about. Most don't these days and they don't really care either. To avoid confusing others who do care, we'd do better to not present such things as "fact" when the only "confirmation" is something a sales person for a company once said.

 

[mc242x]

Who says you have to clear the space to sleep? When we travel, we typically just leave the rear seats folded and the queen-size mattress inflated. We can literally lay down to relax while Supercharging if we want.

In what vehicle though? I don't think the R2 is big enough to do something like that and carry your bags, provisions, etc. while camping. It's probably similar to the interior size of my Bronco - and I know that would never have worked out. Honestly I think folding the front seats and camping inside an R2 would be a very niche case and something that Rivian probably doesn't want to spend much time and engineering on to include. Just my $.02 of opinion.

 

[Ostrichsak]

In what vehicle though? I don't think the R2 is big enough to do something like that and carry your bags, provisions, etc. while camping. It's probably similar to the interior size of my Bronco - and I know that would never have worked out. Honestly I think folding the front seats and camping inside an R2 would be a very niche case and something that Rivian probably doesn't want to spend much time and engineering on to include. Just my $.02 of opinion.

Tesla Model Y. The internal size differences won't vary much between the two vehicles in question for purposes of this conversation. You can store a whole lot of stuff in the frunk, under the rear subfloor and even on the floor in front of the rear seats.

Every new innovation is "niche" until someone integrates it into the design. You know how many people we talk to about EVs/Teslas are absolutely mind blown when I tell them that you can camp in the back and it's actually quite comfy and incredibly useful? Pretty much all of them.

It should be noted that EVs (when done right, not the ones made by the legacy manufacturers that don't optimize space) have significantly more storage space throughout than their ICE counterparts so you really can't base your comparison on them.

 

[HaveBlue]

A valuable lesson in the simple fact that not every representative of a company knows what they're talking about. Most don't these days and they don't really care either. To avoid confusing others who do care, we'd do better to not present such things as "fact" when the only "confirmation" is something a sales person for a company once said.

It was Brian Gase, the Chief Engineer of Special Projects at Rivian and I was there in person. Don't recall seeing you there so "we" might not all have the same info.

 

[Juantana]

I think that the problem is that it's not just the idea of a 6ft tall man being able to fit. In my experience, fitting isn't enough. You need more room. It's also about the fact that it makes reaching the screen and everything else while in the back a breeze.

Speaking of breeze, it also makes it so that your HVAC is optimized. I could go on and on but, again from our experience, being able to fold all seats flat, store shoes and other gear down at the bottom at the hatch and get in and out of the front doors easily while accessing the screen and other controls would be an absolute game changer.

In fact, it's the sole reason we put a reservation on the R2 when it was announced. I've always liked the Rivian stuff (had an EARLY reservation on the initial R1T launch before all of the line priority and pricing shenanigans began) and I've continued tracking their progress and it seems like they're trajecgtory is up adn to the right. When I saw all seats folded flat in a Model Y sized competitor vehicle... I was in immediately knowing everyhting else about the vehicle would be where we want it.

It's just sad they pulled this one seemingly unimportant feature before production because to some buyers (like us) it's a lot bigger feature. I totally get how we may not be in the majority on that one but it certainly seems like a cost-effective thing to add and if you don't use it it wouldn't detract from anything.

I guess my hope is that enough people (or just me a whole buncha times ? ) speak up about their disappointment they may make a last minute reversal of their previous reversal. A kid can dream.

I'm 6'3 and was able to lay down in my Model Y wo front seats folding or moving al the way forward - looks like R2 wb 1.5" shorter than a Model Y.

 

[Ostrichsak]

I'm 6'3 and was able to lay down in my Model Y wo front seats folding or moving al the way forward - looks like R2 wb 1.5" shorter than a Model Y.

Like I said, it's not just about fitting.

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