Max battery pack - delivery waiting time?

[izgoy]

I thought Rivian states 390 miles in R1S DM max pack. This could easily become 340 miles of range at 75 mph average speed and 280 miles of range in sub-freezing temperatures at 75 mph average speed. They are still incredible numbers, though.

Having traveled extensively in a non-Tesla EV As well as in a Tesla Model Y, I can vouch for the fact that this extra range that max pack allegedly adds is indispensable if one travels heavily in a non-Tesla EV that has no access to the Superchargers.

Until one puts thousands and thousands of long-trips miles on a non-Tesla EV, one doesn’t appreciate what an extra 50 miles of range does for the quality of long-distance travel. The examples are numerous, but I won’t bother you with stating them here.

Once Rivian gets access to the Superchargers, the advantage to having these extra 50 miles of range diminishes significantly in many but not all use cases.

Depending on where one lives and where one travels to, these extra 50 miles of range could still be crucial for being able to make the travel feasible, but for most people with only occasional long-trip travels, the max pack at that point would be of little value.

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[Electrified Outdoors]

Rivian confirmed max pack is 149 kwh gross. Estimated at 142 kwh usable.

Large pack was about 126 usable at launch but Rivian unlocked some capacity there with OTA updates and the usable should be somewhere around 129 kwh on large today.

I saw a large pack at the salvage yard and the label on the large pack says 140 kwh (gross capacity im sure).

 

[mkhuffman]

Rivian confirmed max pack is 149 kwh gross. Estimated at 142 kwh usable.

Large pack was about 126 usable at launch but Rivian unlocked some capacity there with OTA updates and the usable should be somewhere around 129 kwh on large today.

I saw a large pack at the salvage yard and the label on the large pack says 140 kwh (gross capacity im sure).

I am hoping that report is incorrect and the Max Pack has a usable capacity of 148 kWh. If it does not, then the EPA range estimates don't make any sense.

How did they make a virtually identical truck so much more efficient? I don't think it is possible. Instead, they likely did the EPA test using different conditions to fake 400 miles of range. That will really be upsetting if true.

Some Max Pack owner really needs to read the available capacity via the API and then we will know. Why hasn't this happened yet? Arrg.

BTW - does the label on the picture you posted say 141 kWh, or 140 kWh? It looks like 141.

 

[BCondrey]

I just passed on the max pack for the truck I bought out of the shop. The Dual motor is now at 350+ miles, and that is a good range for me.

 

[Supratachophobia]

I believe the usable capacity of the Large Pack is 127 kWh. That means the Max has to be 148 kWh usable unless Rivian is playing around with the EPA test to fake 400 miles of range.

I can't believe nobody has been able to verify the actual Max Pack usable capacity yet.

It smells like they are playing since they won't commit to releasing an actual number. But I know fairly confidently what Samsung cell they are using and the math just doesn't support a 149kwh pack (usable).

 

[Tr4ckD4ys]

I configured my R1S a couple weeks ago. I got range anxiety and changed my battery from the large to the max pack a few days ago. I am getting the impression that the max pack will delay delivery. What are the experience of the members here regarding the waiting time from configuration to delivery for the max pack battery R1S? Thanks

Back on topic to the OPs actual question on delivery timeline concerns versus peoples opinions of max pack value:
I ordered an R1 from the shop with max pack and I went from ordering to delivery in less than 4 weeks. Based on my own experience, I would say you can have a max pack just as fast as a large pack these days.

 

[Epicloop]

Those vehicles aren't going 400 miles in any real world scenario.

This forum needs a definition of "real world range" since in the EV world that varies so drastically.
Is real world a southern flatlander's 75% city/20% hwy at speed limit or a cold mtn state 80% hwy/20% city & 10-15% above speed limit with 4 kids & a Thule box on the roof?

Miss Go Electric has a max pack and she is getting nowhere near the 400 mile claim in her R1T. 2.18 mi per kwh x 142 kwh usable for max pack gets you a max range of 310 miles

Without wheel size, temp, elevation change or average speed this lacks a baseline reference point.

The large pack doesn’t work out for me until Rivian gets access to the Superchargers

I think 800V is even more critical.

Once Rivian gets access to the Superchargers, the advantage to having these extra 50 miles of range diminishes significantly in many but not all use cases.

Once everyone has access to the supercharger network is there going to be lineups? Is see them full already on the Friday's of long weekends.

 

[Golfer04]

they are delivering max pack so it hopefully shouldn't delay too much. I have shard my opinions on max pack at length. Miss Go Electric has a max pack and she is getting nowhere near the 400 mile claim in her R1T. 2.18 mi per kwh x 142 kwh usable for max pack gets you a max range of 310 miles if you run it from 100% all the way to zero. 355 miles if you get 2.5 mi per kwh. Something is not adding up with Rivian claims for max pack but I know some folks are willing to pay 10k for the extra 14kwh or so...and if your okay with that I say go for it.

I don't like defending Rivian on this because I think max pack is a ripoff, but you aren't going to get maximum range/efficiency on the highway. Rivian never claimed you were going to go 400 miles at 75mph. To check their claim you have to drive 55 percent in the city and 45 on the highway and see if you make it. Miss Go Electric started her trip in Michigan in 30 degree temps and drove south. I've done that too. It takes a LONG time for the cold weather efficiency to improve. I have no idea why. I have not done it since I can watch battery temp.

 

[Epicloop]

I would say you can have a max pack just as fast as a large pack these days.

I would agree unless you want the U/B shield, not many if those in M/P configuration.

 

[Ryanortev]

Max pack will expedite not delay according to my guide. He was saying he was at the factory and they were only producing maxs at the time (two weeks ago) and if I switched I could get one almost immediately.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

I am hoping that report is incorrect and the Max Pack has a usable capacity of 148 kWh. If it does not, then the EPA range estimates don't make any sense.

How did they make a virtually identical truck so much more efficient? I don't think it is possible. Instead, they likely did the EPA test using different conditions to fake 400 miles of range. That will really be upsetting if true.

Some Max Pack owner really needs to read the available capacity via the API and then we will know. Why hasn't this happened yet? Arrg.

BTW - does the label on the picture you posted say 141 kWh, or 140 kWh? It looks like 141.

Your right it's 141.

Without wheel size, temp, elevation change or average speed this lacks a baseline reference point.

Fair enough. Temps were a bit on the cool side in her tests, she has an R1T with the 21" road wheels... Which is rated for 410 mi range on max pack.

2.9 kwh is what you would need to get the rated range by my calcs. Seems like a tall order even with the efficiency of the DM.

The Auto week article specifically called out 149 kwh as the gross capacity but I have nothing official from Rivian so I guess it's possible that's the usable.

We need some hard data. Someone with a max pack PM me, let's do a range test and see how many kwh we can pull out of that pack! I'll make it worth your while!

 

[mkhuffman]

I don't like defending Rivian on this because I think max pack is a ripoff, but you aren't going to get maximum range/efficiency on the highway. Rivian never claimed you were going to go 400 miles at 75mph. To check their claim you have to drive 55 percent in the city and 45 on the highway and see if you make it. Miss Go Electric started her trip in Michigan in 30 degree temps and drove south. I've done that too. It takes a LONG time for the cold weather efficiency to improve. I have no idea why. I have not done it since I can watch battery temp.

I think everyone here knows EPA range is not highway range, and for EPA range you need ideal conditions. What we are discussing is how Rivian can claim 410 miles out of the Max Pack when the EPA range of the Large is 352 miles. The only way the math works is if the Max is 149 kWh usable. Otherwise, Rivian is playing games and that is really, really disappointing. Like I will just keep my MME disappointing.

 

[MidnightRivian]

Your right it's 141.


Fair enough. Temps were a bit on the cool side in her tests, she has an R1T with the 21" road wheels... Which is rated for 410 mi range on max pack.

2.9 kwh is what you would need to get the rated range by my calcs. Seems like a tall order even with the efficiency of the DM.

The Auto week article specifically called out 149 kwh as the gross capacity but I have nothing official from Rivian so I guess it's possible that's the usable.

We need some hard data. Someone with a max pack PM me, let's do a range test and see how many kwh we can pull out of that pack! I'll make it worth your while!

I am down to help and you can make it worth my while. Right now that worth is $96,000 on Rivian.com

 

[Mad Max]

I ordered the all-terrain package, which has the underbody protection. I really wanted the 20 inch wheels since the tires selection is better. I was hoping to get my SUV before Spring, but you guys are raising my hope for earlier. Thanks.

 

[Golfer04]

I believe the usable capacity of the Large Pack is 127 kWh. That means the Max has to be 148 kWh usable unless Rivian is playing around with the EPA test to fake 400 miles of range.

I can't believe nobody has been able to verify the actual Max Pack usable capacity yet.

Rivian came out and said it is 149. Also is a different type of battery in the entire pack. Supposedly more efficient.

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