R1T (Tri) Vs Lightning

[testandinspect]

Hi All, -

I have a 2023 Ford Lightning Lariat ER, 131 KWH usable. The truck is 85% the best vehicle I have ever owned. The other 15% is pretty bad: range, interior quality and length (it moves like a small navel cruiser). When I was looking at buying the lightning I also looked at the Rivian, and almost went that way, but the lightning was much cheaper and had the same range (on paper). I am now 15 months in and am considering a change to the Rivian.

The Lightning has averaged between 1.9-2.0 mi/kwh and manages 1.6-1.7 mi/kwh on the Texas freeways (72 mph). That is rough. I am partially to blame. The Ford Lightning comes with minivan tires. They were replaced with 275/65/R20 Recon Grapplers within the first 3 days. I don't regret the change, but the range of the Lightning did take a 10-15% hit. 26K miles so far.

I'm happy with the truck but convinced the depreciation monster will only continue to destroy the Ford's based on the charging rate and range. The new products continue to outclass the Ford in every way. Sierra EV is 220+ KWH and 440 miles of range with 300KWH charging rate. I didn't like the UI on the screen and truck is a few inches longer than the already huge Ford. The Sierra move like a nimble truck, but it is not for me.
pas
Back the the R1T. I like the style, but giving up Carplay, Sirius XM radio, and a bit of back seat space hurts. Then there is the 50% increase in monthly payments.

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I have ordered the R1t Tri (20 AT). I just couldn't handle the street tires. While I want to fix the range issues, i still want a truck. What should I expect for charging rates and srange? I will be quite upset if I get 1.7 m/kwh after the switch.

Can you pass audio vis BT into the Rivian audio? Is everyone using Siri outside of the vehicle? How is the phone connectivity?

Are charging rates better. I drive to Austin every other week. Stopping for about fifteen minutes and get a 150 KWH rate at Tesla's network. The it drops to 110 for the next 45 minutes until it reaches 80%, then onto the 50 KWH punishment zone. I have never persisted here unless I have other things going on. I also have the 80 A Ford charger installed at the house. It is a fast charge 19.7 kw/h at the house. I think this rate also goes away with the Rivian. Am I crazy for switching?

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[CharonPDX]

With the 20” AT tires, you’ll probably get right around 2.0 mi/kWh at 75 in normal mode, a touch higher in conserve.

Just like any vehicle, you’ll drop quite a bit with off-road tires.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

The tri range is 410 miles in conserve, so you'll be ahead. It's not a ton more efficient than the Ford though. The interior is a significant step up in the Rivian but you are paying for it. I am trading my gen 1 quad for a new tri next week. I personally think its worth it. You can listen to bluetooth music as you said or if you have apple music or tidal, stream directly from the app.

 

[testandinspect]

With the 20” AT tires, you’ll probably get right around 2.0 mi/kWh at 75 in normal mode, a touch higher in conserve.

Just like any vehicle, you’ll drop quite a bit with off-road tires.

Thanks. I will take a 25% improvement as long as I can live with the smaller space. I the max battery pack 131 useable?

 

[majorfriend]

Hi All, -

I have a 2023 Ford Lightning Lariat ER, 131 KWH usable. The truck is 85% the best vehicle I have ever owned. The other 15% is pretty bad: range, interior quality and length (it moves like a small navel cruiser). When I was looking at buying the lightning I also looked at the Rivian, and almost went that way, but the lightning was much cheaper and had the same range (on paper). I am now 15 months in and am considering a change to the Rivian.

The Lightning has averaged between 1.9-2.0 mi/kwh and manages 1.6-1.7 mi/kwh on the Texas freeways (72 mph). That is rough. I am partially to blame. The Ford Lightning comes with minivan tires. They were replaced with 275/65/R20 Recon Grapplers within the first 3 days. I don't regret the change, but the range of the Lightning did take a 10-15% hit. 26K miles so far.

I'm happy with the truck but convinced the depreciation monster will only continue to destroy the Ford's based on the charging rate and range. The new products continue to outclass the Ford in every way. Sierra EV is 220+ KWH and 440 miles of range with 300KWH charging rate. I didn't like the UI on the screen and truck is a few inches longer than the already huge Ford. The Sierra move like a nimble truck, but it is not for me.
pas
Back the the R1T. I like the style, but giving up Carplay, Sirius XM radio, and a bit of back seat space hurts. Then there is the 50% increase in monthly payments.

I would value the comments from this group.

I have ordered the R1t Tri (20 AT). I just couldn't handle the street tires. While I want to fix the range issues, i still want a truck. What should I expect for charging rates and srange? I will be quite upset if I get 1.7 m/kwh after the switch.

Can you pass audio vis BT into the Rivian audio? Is everyone using Siri outside of the vehicle? How is the phone connectivity?

Are charging rates better. I drive to Austin every other week. Stopping for about fifteen minutes and get a 150 KWH rate at Tesla's network. The it drops to 110 for the next 45 minutes until it reaches 80%, then onto the 50 KWH punishment zone. I have never persisted here unless I have other things going on. I also have the 80 A Ford charger installed at the house. It is a fast charge 19.7 kw/h at the house. I think this rate also goes away with the Rivian. Am I crazy for switching?

I think you're right about depreciation on the Fords.

I can't speak to efficiency on the G2 R1T tri, but I can tell you my G1 Quad R1T gets about 2.4kWhr/mi, down to about 2.1 in the winter here in CO.

As for charging speeds, you should get better, but nothing like the GM products those are beasts. You should get just over 200kW until about 30% then it will drop to around 150kW until maybe 50-60%? Not sure, I don't DCFC that often.

For home charging you would drop to 11.5kW, the Rivian can only accept 48amp charging (unless this changed for G2, I don't think so).

For range, I get just under 300 miles on 100%-0% in all purpose mode, but this is going to be impacted by what battery you have and what tires you are running. Conserve mode adds another 10% or so in my quad. Again, not sure how that impacts the tri.

I do wonder if you might benefit from a different charging strategy on your trips to Austin. Where are you coming from? You'd probably do better arriving at around 5% and charging up to 30-50%, just enough to get to the next charger so that you can take advantage of faster charging speeds lower in the pack.

It is a smaller back seat, but the interior materials are much higher quality.

I don't miss Android Auto/Apple CarPlay at all. The Rivian software is MUCH better.

You can stream audio from your phone.

My phone connectivity is great, I never bring the key with me, I just use my phone. Something I couldn't do with my Mach-E.

I think you'd be happy, but if you use the bed a lot, want the larger cabin, and value charging speed the GM products are very hard to beat.

So what's more important to you?

In vehicle software, frequent OTA updates improving the vehicle, higher interior material quality, not having to deal with a dealership (Rivian)

Or

Range, charging speed, bed and interior space (GM)

 

[majorfriend]

Thanks. I will take a 25% improvement as long as I can live with the smaller space. I the max battery pack 131 useable?

I think the large is 131 useable and the mas is around 140? Don't quote me on that though

 

[testandinspect]

The tri range is 410 miles in conserve, so you'll be ahead. It's not a ton more efficient than the Ford though. The interior is a significant step up in the Rivian but you are paying for it. I am trading my gen 1 quad for a new tri next week. I personally think its worth it. You can listen to bluetooth music as you said or if you have apple music or tidal, stream directly from the app.

I'd like to get the posted 325 range. That will be enough. I was able to get over 5,500 in discounts EV upgrade (3,000) and a paint credit (2,500). I think I will be able to stack the 750 referral credit and the 7500 EV lease credit. Looks like a good set of discounts to offset the insane lease MF. If I could pull 350 (when needed) that would be great. Totally agree on the interior updates.

 

[testandinspect]

I think you're right about depreciation on the Fords.

I can't speak to efficiency on the G2 R1T tri, but I can tell you my G1 Quad R1T gets about 2.4kWhr/mi, down to about 2.1 in the winter here in CO.

As for charging speeds, you should get better, but nothing like the GM products those are beasts. You should get just over 200kW until about 30% then it will drop to around 150kW until maybe 50-60%? Not sure, I don't DCFC that often.

For home charging you would drop to 11.5kW, the Rivian can only accept 48amp charging (unless this changed for G2, I don't think so).

For range, I get just under 300 miles on 100%-0% in all purpose mode, but this is going to be impacted by what battery you have and what tires you are running. Conserve mode adds another 10% or so in my quad. Again, not sure how that impacts the tri.

I do wonder if you might benefit from a different charging strategy on your trips to Austin. Where are you coming from? You'd probably do better arriving at around 5% and charging up to 30-50%, just enough to get to the next charger so that you can take advantage of faster charging speeds lower in the pack.

It is a smaller back seat, but the interior materials are much higher quality.

I don't miss Android Auto/Apple CarPlay at all. The Rivian software is MUCH better.

You can stream audio from your phone.

My phone connectivity is great, I never bring the key with me, I just use my phone. Something I couldn't do with my Mach-E.

I think you'd be happy, but if you use the bed a lot, want the larger cabin, and value charging speed the GM products are very hard to beat.

So what's more important to you?

In vehicle software, frequent OTA updates improving the vehicle, higher interior material quality, not having to deal with a dealership (Rivian)

Or

Range, charging speed, bed and interior space (GM)

Thanks for the feedback. The charging strategy is driven by ending up in Austin with only about 20 mile of real range left. There is a Tesla super charger with a nice gas station (BuCee's) IYKYK. I pop in for a few minutes and add a few percentage points. While in Austin there is a supercharger at a microbrewery. You can't ask for a better place to charge.

FYI. Ford also has phone as a key. The GMC does not, which is crazy. Another reason to avoid the new Sierra EV. I typically only carry the phone unless i need to valet.

I can't see me running in conserve mode, I like the power of the truck and want to have full access. The Ford does a nice job of not having to mode select into the power. It is always just waiting for you. Some of the other EVs felt you needed to plan to hit the "gas". The dual motor has a loud clunk when engaging the rear motor. I hope that is not the case for the Tri. Anyone know?

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

If all you care about is range, I don’t think you will see a meaningful difference going to the R1T unless 20 mi per charge is meaningful. I know folks tend to be stuck at 1.8mi/kwr at those speeds.

110 charge speed until 80% is what to expect, maybe a wee bit faster.

Don’t forget, 2nd gen Rivians have gremlins so you will also need to expect not having your truck for weeks at a time, if you get a dud.

I would stick with the 150 for now. Depreciation isn’t fun, but you already took the big hit. And Rivians also depreciate decently.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I'd like to get the posted 325 range. That will be enough. I was able to get over 5,500 in discounts EV upgrade (3,000) and a paint credit (2,500). I think I will be able to stack the 750 referral credit and the 7500 EV lease credit. Looks like a good set of discounts to offset the insane lease MF. If I could pull 350 (when needed) that would be great. Totally agree on the interior updates.

I would say you should get that 350 in conserve.

 

[Schroederhc]

I think you are past the largest depreciation hit. (50%?) I'd drive it at least one more year possibly two.

 

[Tanuki68]

I have both a Lightning Lariat ER 2022 and a 2025 Gen 2 R1T dual max. We had planned to keep the F150 and get the R1S using our 20% voucher. My wife decided to keep her Y and i decided to get the R1T and sell the Lightning as to not lose the voucher and $7500 tax rebate I locked in back in 2022. We havent sold the Ford yet so we do switch back and forth. I really am enjoying many things about the R1T but missing and equal number of things about the Lightning. My best advice is to keep the Lightning a few more years. If I didnt have the 20% voucher I’d have done the same. The Lightning is a great truck, mediocre EV (compared to a Tesla). The R1T is a really good truck and almost equal to a Tesla as an EV.

 

[ElGuano]

Does the AT package/wheels give you an EPA range estimate for Conserve mode?

OP sounds like they are going to swap out the tires and won't be taking any steps to maximize range, so in reality I would say to expect closer to the 329mi. Anything over 300mi from 100%-0% is probably a realistic estimate imho.

 

[testandinspect]

I have both a Lightning Lariat ER 2022 and a 2025 Gen 2 R1T dual max. We had planned to keep the F150 and get the R1S using our 20% voucher. My wife decided to keep her Y and i decided to get the R1T and sell the Lightning as to not lose the voucher and $7500 tax rebate I locked in back in 2022. We havent sold the Ford yet so we do switch back and forth. I really am enjoying many things about the R1T but missing and equal number of things about the Lightning. My best advice is to keep the Lightning a few more years. If I didnt have the 20% voucher I’d have done the same. The Lightning is a great truck, mediocre EV (compared to a Tesla). The R1T is a really good truck and almost equal to a Tesla as an EV.

Thanks. I feel the same about losing parts of the Lightning (airplay, an actual shade on the sunroof, bluecruise). I do think I will also lose the 7,500 tax credit and the 5,500 in negotiated benefits. Not quite 20%, but ~15%. If I think I might end up in the Rivian, now might be a decent time.

Your feedback is helpful. I do think that it is amazing how close these vehicles compare with a 15K delta in the pricing. Obviously the materials used in the Rvian are much nicer (and I kinda want the nicer finishes)

 

[testandinspect]

Does the AT package/wheels give you an EPA range estimate for Conserve mode?

OP sounds like they are going to swap out the tires and won't be taking any steps to maximize range, so in reality I would say to expect closer to the 329mi. Anything over 300mi from 100%-0% is probably a realistic estimate imho.

No details on the conserve mode for the ATs. I thought I saw a 350 number somewhere in my research. The Ford number is likely around 210 on the trip with my setup and in Texas. It is painful.

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