R2 w/ LiDAR, 19-inch wheels spied

[shandering]

fer because it is an error. It may be accompanied by an increase in justified braking events which would be safer, but actual phantom braking is not indicative of higher safety on its own. I could write a shitty AV algorithm that applies the brakes every 5 to 10 seconds randomly. That would be phantom braking and would not improve safety (other than limiting my top speed I guess).

So your argument would hold more weight if you said "more judicial braking algorithms increase safety, at the cost of increased false positives (phantom braking)", but flat out saying phantom braking is safer is wrong.

most cars don't have phantom braking because they do not brake for stationary objects. That's very unsafe. Some cars that don't brake for stationary vehicles are so dumb that they brake for cars in the lane next to you.

cars that do brake for stationary objects have phantom braking

In the case of tesla they have nearly no phantom braking anymore and brake for things as small as little birds crossing the road.

not all phantom braking is caused by shadows. Most of it (in the case of zoox and others) comes from misidentifying what the cars around you are going to do. There's a reason zoox doesn't drive in parking lots.

The issue with you relying on AI is you didn't consider that tesla has accident avoidance (like a driverless car) while others do not

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[Zathras]

Until someone does it and I can buy it, it’s all made up fantasy land stuff. Could be 2028 or 2038 who knows really.

Point to point by the end of the year. Everyone at Rivian is sticking to that.

 

[RayoRiv]

My take is that they won't install lidar with the LE. Most likely scenario is it will be in the 2027 model year.

I am scheduled for a Nov - Dec invite which means I would receive it most likely in early 2027. I personally don't care if it has lidar or not. Rivian has been clear that, in regards to FSD type capability, it doesn't matter if it has lidar. That is all I am really concerned about. They have said the lidar will mostly be used to train their AI LDM and then that can be shared with non lidar vehicles to achieve FSD across the board.

However, the lidar will probably come into play much later down the road when true driverless autonomy arrives. It may be that to legally have the car drive for itself without human input at all, it would need lidar installed for regulatory reasons. This is partly why Tesla has struggled to gain compliance in many places, they are camera only. They may drive themselves just fine but regulators want those tiny .001% of edge cases, that would easily be solved by lidar, worked out first and that takes a lot more miles when you are camera only.

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