Tesla nefarious behavior?

[Donald Stanfield]

yes it does. Because they have no idea how many miles any of these vehicles have driven. So they get it from the only place they can. Used cars.

So then you are comparing say a honda crv which has been sold for many years, to a car which had come out in 2021

you can't buy another brand of car and not lose 20% off the lot so it is an entirely different scenario

This reply has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Miles driven is irrelevant to the rate of fatalities in a crash. Those rates are really easy to calculate. Take the number of fatalities divided by the number of crashes. It’s simple math, and miles driven couldn’t be more irrelevant.

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[pamalabama]

Wow you missed the point. Building a 200MPH car is expensive because OF ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT GOES WITH IT. You need a suspension capable of holding the car to the road, brakes to stop it and good aero that keeps the car controlled.

The model S has the speed, without all the other stuff that makes the speed safe. Again, many reviewers have talked about how under braked and floaty it is at speed. Rivian has the technology to go 200 MPH cheaply too, yet it’s limited to 110, 130 in launch mode, because traveling at those high speeds isn’t safe with the braking and suspension.

Elon doesn’t care about those sorts of limitations. He puts half baked self driving and half baked suspension and braking systems and then blames the user when they inevitably crash. There’s no mystery why these vehicles have the highest death rates of any manufacturer and it’s not the end user that’s the reason why.

Rivian used bosch motors for a long time which were RPM limited

Going fast is not easy.

mustang mach-e GT has a top speed in the same range of rivian at 114 or something

There is also a tire rating limitation too

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Building a 200mph car is hard and that's the reason that they are expensive.

The reason tesla is affordable is because there is no reason it could not be. Tesla technology enables those speeds without much effort and the car is a family sedan.

Tesla vehicles have historically always had higher top speeds than competitors and they have had no problems spinning the motors at such high RPMs.

Also the reason Teslas are affordable is because Elon cuts corners everywhere he can. The interiors are ugly and cheap, lacking basic functionality and screens everyone else has, they don’t have all the required suspension systems and braking systems for the level of performance the vehicles come with and they are put together poorly.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Rivian used bosch motors for a long time which were RPM limited

This reply is irrelevant yet again. Can you stay on topic? Of course not, because the topic is how shitty Tesla is and you’re a Tesla Stan.

 

[pamalabama]

This reply has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Miles driven is irrelevant to the rate of fatalities in a crash. Those rates are really easy to calculate. Take the number of fatalities divided by the number of crashes. It’s simple math, and miles driven couldn’t be more irrelevant.

That study is NOT rate of fatalities in a crash. The "safety" of tesla vehicles is simply the number of fatalities per miles driven

Which in 2018-2022 they don't have any clue what the number of miles a model Y driven was, and looking at used cars is stupidly misleading

 

[pamalabama]

Also the reason Teslas are affordable is because Elon cuts corners everywhere he can. The interiors are ugly and cheap, lacking basic functionality and screens everyone else has, they don’t have all the required suspension systems and braking systems for the level of performance the vehicles come with and they are put together poorly.

you mean the screens where your speed is off to the side and blcoked by the steering wheel?

You mean hyundai EVs which sells interiors that are completely made of cloth and plastic, forcing you to upgrade to the limited trim and reducing your range by 80 miles?

you mean rivian who has the lowest reliability rating by consumer reports when referring to build quality? C'mon be realistic

The reason tesla is cheap is because they have class-leading efficiency, which means cheap and small battery packs.

They also know how to manufacture a car to make it cheap.

Licensing a mobileye system because you are too incompetent to have your own driver assist is not cheap

 

[Donald Stanfield]

you mean the screens where your speed is off to the side and blcoked by the steering wheel?

You mean hyundai EVs which sells interiors that are completely made of cloth and plastic, forcing you to upgrade to the limited trim and reducing your range by 80 miles?

you mean rivian who has the lowest reliability rating by consumer reports when referring to build quality? C'mon be realistic

The reason tesla is cheap is because they have class-leading efficiency, which means cheap and small battery packs.

They also know how to manufacture a car to make it cheap.

Licensing a mobileye system because you are too incompetent to have your own driver assist is not cheap

The reason Tesla is cheap is because they are shit. I am being realistic, which is more than I can say for you. When you put your cars together with a pail of Elmer’s glue you can really save money on the costs.

 

[pamalabama]

Also when you talk about "american made," tesla might be the only car brand doing data labeling for their self-driving AI in the U.S.

 

[Riviot]

OMG I didn't "pick" anything It's a list of manufacturers and models with the highest fatality rates.

And that list has zero to do with resale value or anything else you are attempting to change the subject to.

I'm done wasting time trying to get you to stay on topic. Have a great day

The reason Tesla is cheap is because they are shit. I am being realistic, which is more than I can say for you. When you put your cars together with a pail of Elmer’s glue you can really save money on the costs.

I can't believe this thread is still going. I'm sure admin appreciates it, but feeding the dumpster lover ain't doing the rest of us no good!

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I can't believe this thread is still going. I'm sure admin appreciates it, but feeding the dumpster lover ain't doing the rest of us no good!

You're right. I should just block him.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Done.

 

[pamalabama]

Done.

awesome. love to see it.

 

[JM.]

You're right. I should just block him.

Me too please.

 

[JM.]

So you don’t think the highest fatality rate of any manufacturer is relevant to the safety of the vehicle?

Definitely not a direct causal factor. "Relevant" is always a vague claim which is common in this thread from a few people. You don't have to back anything up if you use vague terms, right?

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Definitely not a direct causal factor. "Relevant" is always a vague claim which is common in this thread from a few people. You don't have to back anything up if you use vague terms, right?

So we don't need to worry about vehicle safety if more people get killed in said vehicle than any other one, got it. Let me guess, so long as the vehicle in question is made by your boss Elon.

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