Tesla nefarious behavior?

[JM.]

You must be referring to yourself because I am referring to the list showing Tesla has the highest fatality rate (which you knew when you posted that).

So please post any evidence you have to support your opinion

I haven't expressed any opinions. I pointed out that you failed to supply any evidence for your claim that a bare single stat shows a causal relationship.

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[COdogman]

I haven't expressed any opinions. I pointed out that you failed to supply any evidence for your claim that a bare single stat shows a causal relationship.

Definitely not a direct causal factor. "Relevant" is always a vague claim which is common in this thread from a few people. You don't have to back anything up if you use vague terms, right?

o·pin·ion
/əˈpiny(ə)n/

noun

1. a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
   
   
   
   

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Stating the fact that a singular statistic isn't necessarily causal is not an accusation. Using proper English would help here. You seem to be unable to see how your own vagueness makes your claims meaningless.

Criticizing my English when intentionally misrepresenting what I said is a piss poor tactic. Do better. Also, learn to use the quote function when responding to someone else. You knew that I was referring to you accusing me of "musk derangement syndrome" not anything to do with any statistic. You knew this because I quoted it, unlike you, who just makes random comments without quotes to obfuscate the point.

How can having 40% of the vehicles you make represented in highest death rates NOT be causal? That's a pretty strong correlation, and if you don't think it's causal as has been rightly suggested then it's up to YOU to provide evidence to support that arguement. Simply saying "nuh uh" and "hurrrr derrr Musk syndrome" isn't getting it done.

P.S. That 40% figure is exceptionally generous because each model is weighted equally, although they don't sell equally. If we added weight based on the amount sold, it would be 90%+ of the vehicles Tesla sells represented in the highest death rate figure.

 

[JM.]

o·pin·ion
/əˈpiny(ə)n/

noun

1. a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
   
   
   

Exactly, now you've figured out that I haven't said any. Your opinion that Tesla somehow causes the problem isn't supported with evidence so far.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Exactly, now you've figured out that I haven't said any. Your opinion that Tesla somehow causes the problem isn't supported with evidence so far.

How can Tesla not cause the problem when they make the vehicle?

 

[JM.]

How can Tesla not cause the problem when they make the vehicle?

So Dodge causes the fact that one of their trucks has twice as many DUI arrests than most other vehicles? Now I totally understand your "logic."

 

[COdogman]

Exactly, now you've figured out that I haven't said any. Your opinion that Tesla somehow causes the problem isn't supported with evidence so far.

I guess it's you who actually needs help with the english language. You have stated opinions and provided zero evidence or knowledge to back them up.

The list showing Tesla has the highest fatality rate of all manufacturers is actual evidence supporting our views, meaning it is more than simply an "opinion". Pretty simple.

But you keep avoiding the actual topic here because you are stuck in a projection loop. Please show us the list is factually wrong, or attempt to explain how that could happen.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

So Dodge causes the fact that one of their trucks has twice as many DUI arrests than most other vehicles? Now I totally understand your "logic."

Uh, DUI arrests and death rates are two different things. Nice red herring, though. Nothing about a vehicle can influence DUI rates except the segment of people it attracts. Unless you claim that Tesla is in the highest death rates solely because it attracts shitty drivers, this line of reasoning doesn't apply to the statistic at hand.

At least you figured out how to use the quote function this time; we're making progress.

 

[Spork8]

So Dodge causes the fact that one of their trucks has twice as many DUI arrests than most other vehicles? Now I totally understand your "logic."

Trucks get DUI's? Interesting.

 

[JM.]

You have stated opinions

No.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

No.

So, stating that Tesla is not causing the abhorrent death rates without ANY supporting evidence isn't expressing an opinion? I think you need to look at @COdogman's definition of opinion again.

 

[JM.]

So, stating that Tesla is not causing the abhorrent death rates

I've made this offer multiple times and you failed to claim it. Find where I said that and quote it, and I'll send you $100. You keep making things up and then claiming I said them. It seems to stem from an inability to understand specific language and its nuances. I'm saying you/everyone has failed to provide evidence that it's causal and not just correlation.

 

[COdogman]

No.

Back to another pattern: one word responses to cherry picked quotes after being asked a direct question.

You have a great day, sport

 

[SSteveEV]

Just jumped from page 3 to page 23 and this thread has developed as expected.

I assume someone said a similar thing in the 20 I skipped, but given the choice between driving with my eyes or my eyes plus radar, why would anyone not pick the extra input?

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I've made this offer multiple times and you failed to claim it. Find where I said that and quote it, and I'll send you $100. You keep making things up and then claiming I said them. It seems to stem from an inability to understand specific language and its nuances. I'm saying you/everyone has failed to provide evidence that it's causal and not just correlation.

Now you're hiding behind semantics. Fervently denying my claims is the same as making a counterclaim.

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