What would make you drop your preorder?

[SeaGeo]

Slow DCFC and/or a poor charging curve. This is supposed to be an adventure vehicle, if I wanted a commuter, I'd get a Model 3 Tesla.

Not directly mentioned yet I think are potential battery/charging/range issues that we don't know much about yet, since info so far is so limited. If real life range is closer to 200ish given relatively common conditions/options, and it takes an hour+ at a charger to get 10-80% or whatever back, then that could become a drag real fast. Daily stuff would probably be fine, but one of the reasons I went for a Y and want a Rivian (to replace old truck too) is the amount of highway driving I'm doing now. If that would become a headache I'll just keep both until there's better option. Also my tows are all generally pretty short which is why I think an EV would be perfect in most cases, but if the few longer trips I might have to do are significantly slower than what I was already guestimating, then maybe I'll wait too.

I mean aside from some things already mentioned or giant unforeseen red flags, etc.

10-80% is probably around 35 to 40 minutes from the pieces I've put together.

That out of the way, my bail points (biggest concerns at the moment) would be if the charging curve isn't very good. I don't personally think "below average to average" is acceptable for a premium EV coming out in 2022. 35 to 40 minutes is right on the "typical" line and not at all exceptional.

I'm stating to get a little hesitant about real world highway range. If it's more than 10% below the highway EPA rating I'll have to give it some thought.

And lastly, if it's particularly susceptible to thermal throttling when driven fun.

The first and last items are big parts of why I decided against getting a Mach e as my holdover car.

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[DB-EV]

10-80% is probably around 35 to 40 minutes from the pieces I've put together.

That out of the way, my bail points (biggest concerns at the moment) would be if the charging curve isn't very good. I don't personally think "below average to average" is acceptable for a premium EV coming out in 2022. 35 to 40 minutes is right on the "typical" line and not at all exceptional.

I'm stating to get a little hesitant about real world highway range. If it's more than 10% below the highway EPA rating I'll have to give it some thought.

And lastly, if it's particularly susceptible to thermal throttling when driven fun.

The first and last items are big parts of why I decided against getting a Mach e as my holdover car.

SG - are you doing the max pack? Did someone say the max pack is now going to be 17.5k? (BTW I see Rivian as having no economic incentive to make it due to battery costs).

 

[OldGoat]

SG - are you doing the max pack? Did someone say the max pack is now going to be 17.5k? (BTW I see Rivian as having no economic incentive to make it due to battery costs).

No they were speculating on the change to the tax credits that have an MSRP requirement. The R1T would be below that number (and eligible for a $7500 credit) at base but adding the max pack at $10k would push the MSRP above the threshold. Therefore, you would lose the $7500 credit if you added the max pack... meaning that you end up paying an additional $17500 ($10k for the pack plus $7500 for the loss of tax credit)

However, this is sooo speculative. All that exists for now is a framework and it may not even pass. If it does it will be a long time before all the details are settled.

 

[Dark-Fx]

No they were speculating on the change to the tax credits that have an MSRP requirement. The R1T would be below that number (and eligible for a $7500 credit) at base but adding the max pack at $10k would push the MSRP above the threshold. Therefore, you would lose the $7500 credit if you added the max pack... meaning that you end up paying an additional $17500 ($10k for the pack plus $7500 for the loss of tax credit)

However, this is sooo speculative. All that exists for now is a framework and it may not even pass. If it does it will be a long time before all the details are settled.

There's also no chance that they will modify the credit law retroactively in a negative way. If it hasn't passed by the time you purchase your R1T, you don't need to worry about the change.

 

[SeaGeo]

SG - are you doing the max pack? Did someone say the max pack is now going to be 17.5k? (BTW I see Rivian as having no economic incentive to make it due to battery costs).

Not currentry. I'd be tempted if it has a significantly better charging curve and/or the real-world highway range of the large pack is 200ish miles.

No they were speculating on the change to the tax credits that have an MSRP requirement. The R1T would be below that number (and eligible for a $7500 credit) at base but adding the max pack at $10k would push the MSRP above the threshold. Therefore, you would lose the $7500 credit if you added the max pack... meaning that you end up paying an additional $17500 ($10k for the pack plus $7500 for the loss of tax credit)

However, this is sooo speculative. All that exists for now is a framework and it may not even pass. If it does it will be a long time before all the details are settled.

I may have gotten lost in who "they" was attributed to. Just to be bear clear, my post wasn't regarding the the tax credit.

 

[moosehead]

To answer the OP thread question:

Battery fire(s), slow production, QC issues, price increase to preorder agreement, poor communication, slow charging and service network rollout.

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[cmugler]

I need to see real life range reports, dependability reports, speed they build charging stations and do a comparison with the cybertruck (if it ever goes to production) and make a decision from there

 

[LoneStar]

wasn't a selection available but for those who consider $75-80k "real money" the potential changes to the EV Tax Credit weigh heavy on my mind. If things turn in favor of a domestic union-built product getting a $5k to over $10k advantage then an F-150 Lightning becomes a very real prospect. Especially going with a mid-level trim with larger battery cuts like $15k off the top-line price.

 

[EVTrucking]

The only reason I would drop my pre-order for a R1T would be if Rivian was clearly going out of business.

 

[TessP100D]

10-80% is probably around 35 to 40 minutes from the pieces I've put together.

That out of the way, my bail points (biggest concerns at the moment) would be if the charging curve isn't very good. I don't personally think "below average to average" is acceptable for a premium EV coming out in 2022. 35 to 40 minutes is right on the "typical" line and not at all exceptional.

I'm stating to get a little hesitant about real world highway range. If it's more than 10% below the highway EPA rating I'll have to give it some thought.

And lastly, if it's particularly susceptible to thermal throttling when driven fun.

The first and last items are big parts of why I decided against getting a Mach e as my holdover car.

SG. Good points. I’m going with the Max Pack and I think I will be happy

 

[SeaGeo]

SG. Good points. I’m going with the Max Pack and I think I will be happy

Nobody ever doubted you would. lol.

 

[slawwach]

At this point I don't expect to follow through on my LE R1T preorder. I cannot point to a single thing that changed my mind, but I guess the biggest thing was waiting time, that allowed me to reevaluate my situation and try different options.
I wanted a vehicle that can support my lifestyle until Rivian arrives and I bought Santa Cruz a couple months back. The thing is I didn't expect to like Santa Cruz so much, so now I really have to like R1T to justify the switch and spending extra 40-50k on it.
I'm still keeping my preorder to have a chance to see and drive Rivian, but I doubt that will change anything.

If I make a list of features of both vehicles that personally matter to me I don't see how would I justify the switch:

R1T pros over Santa Cruz
- more storage (gear tunnel and frunk).
- I have camp kitchen in my configuration and really like the concept
- would be great to have some electric power close to the camp
- memory seats
- It's just cooler
- more power - but I don't really care that much. This would be mostly road trip vehicle moving at constant speed. 280hp in Santa Cruz is enough


Santa Cruz pros over R1T:
- Android Auto
- 360 top down camera view
- and the most important one - don't have to worry about range, charging and can just go wherever I want without compromises, wasting time and a lot of planning
- and the most silly one, but it bothers me a lot - those silly openings behind front wheels in Rivian.

I realize that last one will be controversial for many , but that's my personal list that I don't try to extrapolate on anyone else. I've been driving I-Pace for the last couple years on road trips and Santa Cruz reminded me how easy it is to travel with a gas car. The car supports your plans instead of you adjusting your plans to make it work for the car. Still I-Pace is my favorite car ever for trips less than ~300 miles.
For the context I played with ABRP for the last two camping trips I did last month (no destination charging available, which makes a big difference).
1.
- Gas Car - 6h 35m - 510 miles
- R1T Large Pack - 9h 16m - 552 miles (the charger is not exactly on the way, hence more miles)
- R1T Max Pack - 8h 23m - 548 miles

2.
- Gas Car - 5h 25m
- R1T Large Pack - 7h 35m
- R1T Max Pack - 6h 32m

 

[EVTrucking]

At this point I don't expect to follow through on my LE R1T preorder. I cannot point to a single thing that changed my mind, but I guess the biggest thing was waiting time, that allowed me to reevaluate my situation and try different options.
I wanted a vehicle that can support my lifestyle until Rivian arrives and I bought Santa Cruz a couple months back. The thing is I didn't expect to like Santa Cruz so much, so now I really have to like R1T to justify the switch and spending extra 40-50k on it.
I'm still keeping my preorder to have a chance to see and drive Rivian, but I doubt that will change anything.

If I make a list of features of both vehicles that personally matter to me I don't see how would I justify the switch:

R1T pros over Santa Cruz
- more storage (gear tunnel and frunk).
- I have camp kitchen in my configuration and really like the concept
- would be great to have some electric power close to the camp
- memory seats
- It's just cooler
- more power - but I don't really care that much. This would be mostly road trip vehicle moving at constant speed. 280hp in Santa Cruz is enough


Santa Cruz pros over R1T:
- Android Auto
- 360 top down camera view
- and the most important one - don't have to worry about range, charging and can just go wherever I want without compromises, wasting time and a lot of planning
- and the most silly one, but it bothers me a lot - those silly openings behind front wheels in Rivian.

I realize that last one will be controversial for many , but that's my personal list that I don't try to extrapolate on anyone else. I've been driving I-Pace for the last couple years on road trips and Santa Cruz reminded me how easy it is to travel with a gas car. The car supports your plans instead of you adjusting your plans to make it work for the car. Still I-Pace is my favorite car ever for trips less than ~300 miles.
For the context I played with ABRP for the last two camping trips I did last month (no destination charging available, which makes a big difference).
1.
- Gas Car - 6h 35m - 510 miles
- R1T Large Pack - 9h 16m - 552 miles (the charger is not exactly on the way, hence more miles)
- R1T Max Pack - 8h 23m - 548 miles

2.
- Gas Car - 5h 25m
- R1T Large Pack - 7h 35m
- R1T Max Pack - 6h 32m

By any chance did you give consideration to the stuff spewing out of your ICE tailpipe? Who is going to pay for that?

 

[kvenom]

2023 delivery, I need the delivery to happen by fall 2022 at the latest. (Lease on the current vehicle is ending, building new house etc...)

 

[slawwach]

By any chance did you give consideration to the stuff spewing out of your ICE tailpipe? Who is going to pay for that?

I did. It's pretty low on my list of priorities though. For example much lower than my wife not having to spend 30-40 minutes on Walmart's parking lot at 10pm alone to charge.

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