When were Launch Editions sold out?

[crashmtb]

Agreed. It's literally a badge already installed on the IP. No installation differences for the line.

The issue isn’t with installation but sequencing. The dashboard will have a different part number, for each of the three versions of launch edition. Each of the three versions for adventure. Each of the two versions of explore.

If you’re running one flavour at a time, there is zero chance of error. It’s also faster.

There are pictures from pilot production showing different interior colours on the line, so it’s not like they haven’t practiced building out of sequence.

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[astonius]

The issue isn’t with installation but sequencing. The dashboard will have a different part number, for each of the three versions of launch edition. Each of the three versions for adventure. Each of the two versions of explore.

If you’re running one flavour at a time, there is zero chance of error. It’s also faster.

There are pictures from pilot production showing different interior colours on the line, so it’s not like they haven’t practiced building out of sequence.

I don't doubt they'll batch, as we've already seen with BM interiors, but that doesn't mean they won't do a batch of Adventure, non-LE R1s before they're 100% finished building LEs. Prime example would be if there truly is a delay with OC or FE trims. I'm not going to let the line sit idle if I've got some non-LE BM dashboards lined up and ready to go.

 

[crashmtb]

I don't doubt they'll batch, as we've already seen with BM interiors, but that doesn't mean they won't do a batch of Adventure, non-LE R1s before they're 100% finished building LEs. Prime example would be if there truly is a delay with OC or FE trims. I'm not going to let the line sit idle if I've got some non-LE BM dashboards lined up and ready to go.

I’d expect they are going to run out all of the LEs before producing adventure trim R1Ts.

It could be that they they might not deliver all of the LEs before they start shipping adventure trim, if whatever parameters for delivery aren’t met(I.e. service availability).

I’ve got a neighbour with an LE preorder who still has july-September delivery timeframe. And that’s in a part of canada where the nearest service centre is in Minneapolis

 

[astonius]

I’d expect they are going to run out all of the LEs before producing adventure trim R1Ts.

It could be that they they might not deliver all of the LEs before they start shipping adventure trim, if whatever parameters for delivery aren’t met(I.e. service availability).

I’ve got a neighbour with an LE preorder who still has july-September delivery timeframe. And that’s in a part of canada where the nearest service centre is in Minneapolis

Provided no resource constraints, I'd agree.

 

[CommodoreAmiga]

You're a math denier...

The addition of increased complexity during assembly line ramp up would be counterproductive.

So you want to start throwing insults? Childish.

Think what you want -- it literally makes ZERO difference to me. I'm just glad you aren't in charge of making anything.

 

[R_1_T]

So you want to start throwing insults? Childish.

Think what you want -- it literally makes ZERO difference to me. I'm just glad you aren't in charge of making anything.

I've lived through multiple vehicle launches during my career, so I've seen some things from both the OEM and supplier side. My comments aren't simply wild ass guesses.

Simple fact is that complexity would be added. This is undeniable from a mathematical perspective. This reality conflicts with what YOU WANT as an outcome, so you're pushing back.

 

[crashmtb]

Provided no resource constraints, I'd agree.

That’s the big huge question that is utterly unanswerable. Will there be constraints, almost certainly. But maybe not!

 

[mwexler2]

I’m quite sure that adventure editions will be delivered before the last launch edition is delivered. As people say logistics to HI and AK will ensure that.
That doesn’t mean they will be built before the last LEs are built. I suspect that might depend on availability of materials. They might run out of some component for forest edge interior or limestone exterior and ship some El Cap/BM adventurers while they are waiting for parts.

As jj said, probably not because of places like HI, AK, and Canada (just to enumerate the unfavorable locations)

Logistics to HI and AK are not fun, and I haven't been following the Canadian threads to see if they even have approval there yet.

 

[CommodoreAmiga]

I've lived through multiple vehicle launches during my career, so I've seen some things from both the OEM and supplier side. My comments aren't simply wild ass guesses.

Simple fact is that complexity would be added. This is undeniable from a mathematical perspective. This reality conflicts with what YOU WANT as an outcome, so you're pushing back.

I pushed back because you're making stupid assertions. Your comments aren't wild "guesses" they're simply flat out incorrect assertions.

Getting out of my chair to walk to my mailbox is technically more complex than sitting where I am at -- but that doesn't make it objectively complex.

If you don't think Rivian factory workers can't handle the "complicated" task of picking the correct dash part, then why are you even here? I can't fathom how you'd ever trust a whole VEHICLE those people build.

 

[R_1_T]

I pushed back because you're making stupid assertions. Your comments aren't wild "guesses" they're simply flat out incorrect assertions.

Getting out of my chair to walk to my mailbox is technically more complex than sitting where I am at -- but that doesn't make it objectively complex.

Pure semantics on your part. You can't argue against the math.

I never stated it wouldn't be possible, just more difficult than you want to believe.

If it's all so easy...
Why limit build combinations during launch ramp then?

Facts:
Rivian is building customer vehicles with Black Mountain interiors only...
Rivian is only building Launch Edition vehicles...
Rivian is building only R1T's...

These all tie into build complexity and body/component sequencing.

On top of that :
Rivian can't even paint a silver vehicle properly at this point...

This points at process controls still being worked out.

 

[R_1_T]

If you don't think Rivian factory workers can't handle the "complicated" task of picking the correct dash part, then why are you even here? I can't fathom how you'd ever trust a whole VEHICLE those people build.

Weak argument on your part...

I shouldn't be here if I point out that things are more difficult than we'd like them to be?
If anything, my experience in the industry makes me more suited to being here, as I understand what the Rivian team is going through and can therefore empathize with them and help make sense of it.

 

[mgc0216]

Weak argument on your part...

I shouldn't be here if I point out that things are more difficult than we'd like them to be?
If anything, my experience in the industry makes me more suited to being here, as I understand what the Rivian team is going through and can therefore empathize with them and help make sense of it.

i think the larger point is something can be more difficult than something else and still not difficult overall.

It's more difficult for me to run a 1:50 half than a 2:00 half - but in the grand scheme of things neither really challenge me.

Do you think having LE and non LE builds coming off the line is so difficult for Rivian that they should finish LE assemblies before moving to Adventure (and Adventure before moving to Explore)?

I would hope not, but maybe so - i don't have the experience to make an informed hypothesis.

 

[R_1_T]

i think the larger point is something can be more difficult than something else and still not difficult overall.

It's more difficult for me to run a 1:50 half than a 2:00 half - but in the grand scheme of things neither really challenge me.

Do you think having LE and non LE builds coming off the line is so difficult for Rivian that they should finish LE assemblies before moving to Adventure (and Adventure before moving to Explore)?

I would hope not, but maybe so - i don't have the experience to make an informed hypothesis.

I'm simply making arguments as to why they would do this.

As a team, they're learning how to build a vehicle, which includes every single aspect.
- Line setup and programming
- Training
- Logistics/component sequencing
- Process controls and calibration
- Product QA
- Line maintenance

Making a conscious decision to limit complexity during vehicle launch and production ramp is a logical decision, and consistent with industry practice.

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