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From the manufacturer who can't make automatic windshield wipers work correctly, sure, let's hand over control of the vehicle in inclement weather
The auto windshield wipers DO work. The only issue is you need a perfectly clean windshield or you get a lot of phantom wipes.

Robotaxi "solved" phantom wiping by always wiping with a stream of water to preven dry wiping. They also have a tech which detects how easily the wiper blade moves to know whether the windshield is wet or not
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From the manufacturer who can't make automatic windshield wipers work correctly, sure, let's hand over control of the vehicle in inclement weather :CWL:
The reason auto wipers suck so badly on Tesla (and always will) is they rely on the cameras, which can only see out a 6" square at the top center of the windshield. 90% of the windshield can be covered in water droplets but if the top center is clear, the system thinks it's clear and won't run the wipers when you need them. Also if the camera sees a dirt spot that it thinks is a raindrop, it will run the wipers even if there is nothing on the rest of the windshield.

All to save a couple bucks on a real rain sensor.
 

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The reason auto wipers suck so badly on Tesla (and always will) is they rely on the cameras, which can only see out a 6" square at the top center of the windshield. 90% of the windshield can be covered in water droplets but if the top center is clear, the system thinks it's clear and won't run the wipers when you need them. Also if the camera sees a dirt spot that it thinks is a raindrop, it will run the wipers even if there is nothing on the rest of the windshield.

All to save a couple bucks on a real rain sensor.
This is needed for autonomy. So the wipers would run even if the rest of the windshield is clean
 

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This is needed for autonomy. So the wipers would run even if the rest of the windshield is clean
but for everyday manual driving it sucks so bad! Cybertruck wiper stream adds another layer of suck to the equation too
 

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but for everyday manual driving it sucks so bad! Cybertruck wiper stream adds another layer of suck to the equation too
doesn't matter. The cameras are used for ADAS and emergency braking as well. Ideally all brands would have camera wiper detection

The tradeoff with other brands is the emergency braking just doesn't work if the cameras are blocked
 

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FSD is certainly advanced and 2nd best compared to Waymo. Tesla has done a nice job improving since the inception of FSD. However, it continues to be a gimmick. It’s great, but just not good enough.

IMO, Tesla has put too much focus on autonomy. They’ve lost their way when it comes to design and aesthetics. Models 3 and Y are at best, basic-looking cars with no character at all. Nothing makes them stand out. As for the refresh? Comical. A front and rear light bar don’t constitute a refresh.

I won’t comment on the CT, because it goes without saying how most on the forum feel about it.

The look of the car is top priority for me. Inside and out.Today’s Teslas just don’t do it for me. The interiors look and feel cheap. No character at all. It’s as though everything about it is an afterthought. FSD? I can take it or leave it. Not why I buy a car.

The one vehicle of their did like (Model S) has been discontinued.
 

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The auto windshield wipers DO work. The only issue is you need a perfectly clean windshield or you get a lot of phantom wipes.

Robotaxi "solved" phantom wiping by always wiping with a stream of water to preven dry wiping. They also have a tech which detects how easily the wiper blade moves to know whether the windshield is wet or not
No they don't really work. Phantom wipes are not the only problem. It either wipes too slow or too fast in rain as well. None of these would be an issue with an included 2$ rain sensor in every other car.
 

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The auto windshield wipers DO work. The only issue is you need a perfectly clean windshield or you get a lot of phantom wipes.
I unfortunately needed a new windshields in my Y last month & can confirm the phantom windshield wiping even occurs on a pristine windshield
 

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FSD is certainly advanced and 2nd best compared to Waymo. Tesla has done a nice job improving since the inception of FSD. However, it continues to be a gimmick. It’s great, but just not good enough.

IMO, Tesla has put too much focus on autonomy. They’ve lost their way when it comes to design and aesthetics. Models 3 and Y are at best, basic-looking cars with no character at all. Nothing makes them stand out. As for the refresh? Comical. A front and rear light bar don’t constitute a refresh.

I won’t comment on the CT, because it goes without saying how most on the forum feel about it.

The look of the car is top priority for me. Inside and out.Today’s Teslas just don’t do it for me. The interiors look and feel cheap. No character at all. It’s as though everything about it is an afterthought. FSD? I can take it or leave it. Not why I buy a car.

The one vehicle of their did like (Model S) has been discontinued.
Tesla doesn't really want to make cars anymore.
 

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Model Y L seems to be ready to launch in the US.... that would sell like gangbusters

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/4234/tesla-model-y-l-spotted-testing-at-fremont-ahead-of-us-launch
That's not making a new car though, it's just extending an already made car six inches or so. They put all the R&D dollars for a new car into a Cybercab.

They got rid of Model S and Model X to make space for robots. They're now down to just Model 3 and Model Y and a "soon to be dead if not already" Cybertruck.

They're not making a new SUV or anything at all. They'll live off the "bread and butter" 3 and Y until they phase out car making totally, except Cybercab.

Glad if I'm wrong and they take the Cybertruck platform and make a big SUV, but I doubt it.
 

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That's not making a new car though, it's just extending an already made car six inches or so. They put all the R&D dollars for a new car into a Cybercab.

They got rid of Model S and Model X to make space for robots. They're now down to just Model 3 and Model Y and a "soon to be dead if not already" Cybertruck.

They're not making a new SUV or anything at all. They'll live off the "bread and butter" 3 and Y until they phase out car making totally, except Cybercab.
But you didn't say "new" cars, just that they didn't want to make cars anymore ;)

I'd argue that the market for $80,000-$100,000 EVs is treading water right now. We need lower-priced vehicles to stimulate sales. The Model Y L is an easy way to boost sales and maintain momentum while keeping prices somewhat reasonable.

And Tesla needs to be able to sell consumer vehicles... they can't fund their operations based only on Cybercabs and Optimus robots alone. A two-seat Cybercab is an absolute non-starter for families. The Model 3 and Model Y are mature platforms that basically print money for them.

If it were me, I would be modernizing the Model 3 and Model Y with more efficient motors/batteries and faster charging.

A reenergized Model 3/Y and the Model Y L would make a solid lineup IMO.
 

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But you didn't say "new" cars, just that they didn't want to make cars anymore ;)

I'd argue that the market for $80,000-$100,000 EVs is treading water right now. We need lower-priced vehicles to stimulate sales. The Model Y L is an easy way to boost sales and maintain momentum while keeping prices somewhat reasonable.

And Tesla needs to be able to sell consumer vehicles... they can't fund their operations based only on Cybercabs and Optimus robots alone. A two-seat Cybercab is an absolute non-starter for families. The Model 3 and Model Y are mature platforms that basically print money for them.

If it were me, I would be modernizing the Model 3 and Model Y with more efficient motors/batteries and faster charging.

A reenergized Model 3/Y and the Model Y L would make a solid lineup IMO.
No need to argue semantics lol :D . What I was saying is that's not their main focus, that's not where their energy is going. Their focus is FSD, Energy, Robotaxi, and Robots. They don't really care about making cars in general but they have to by necessity, not by choice, for the time being. The Y L was to compete in China only but then everyone wanted it so they said sure we'll bring it to the rest of the world bc it's very cheap to update for it bc it's just a Model Y with an elongated back end. Very little new tooling required.

It just doesn't seem to me they care about innovating or doing anything car related anymore. They don't care to have better batteries or faster charging. The batteries and charging are largely the same since about 2019, 7 years ago. No improvements, no advancements elsewhere either. They simply don't care. 3/Y is their bread and butter for the time being until they can make enough revenue to move on.

You can easily see where they are putting time, effort, and money. It's not into innovating with new cars, batteries, or charging. It's FSD, robots, robotaxi, and energy products. That's where all the resources are going.

And for the record I wish it wasn't that way...
 
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