Market Reality Check: When do Gen 2 Quads drop to double digits?

[RivianRocks25]

I thought Gen 2 R1s cut computer count and wiring down to the point R1s where are making money. And then THAT zonal architecture was used with other cost cutting to make R2 super profitable. Haven't been following Rivian's books but seems like the cash burn to product and scale R2 is what hurts them short term. W/o that, R1 is selling for more than cost to make?

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[mkg3]

Guess that makes me a unicorn. ‘25 MB G580 and ‘26 R1S Tri.

Don't know about an unicorn, but you are one of very few that Venn diagram overlaps....

 

[Quadrophenia]

I have a gen 2 quad with around 3k miles. I was offered 107k from Rivian as a Trade in (we have two early R2 Res). Factor in tax savings and that number is higher. Depreciate sure, buying under 100k, nah.

 

[CrazyOne]

100%. I love my Gen 2 Tri, but I still cringe at some of the cost-cutting measures. The doors feel cheap/hollow, door handles and window switches feel cheap, there's no dual-pane front glass, and then there's the audio system, which honestly sounds like something you'd expect in a $20k vehicle.

What you said is spot on in that it's only slightly justifiable because there are so few comparable alternatives. If there were more direct competitors in this segment, I think these shortcomings would be scrutinized much more heavily.

It's an odd feeling being in a situation where, by default, beggars can't be choosers.

Rivian uses acoustic laminated windshield and front glass.

 

[Electron]

Rivian uses acoustic laminated windshield and front glass.

You're right indeed. What I meant to say was the rear door glass.

 

[CrazyOne]

You're right indeed. What I meant to say was the rear door glass.

Laminated glass is very hard/impossible to break out of, in case of accident. It's not necessarily done to save money.

The car can be quieter though. I wish they used acoustic tires and used more road noise insulation.

 

[Electron]

Laminated glass is very hard/impossible to break out of, in case of accident. It's not necessarily done to save money.

The car can be quieter though. I wish they used acoustic tires and used more road noise insulation.

Many luxury brands such as BMW, Audi, Lexus, and Genesis offer four door acoustic laminated glass on higher end models. It's expensive and heavy. It's also true that having laminated glass matters more in the front more so the rear. As for tires the Hankook iON HT tires have foam inside that helps with road noise.

 

[CrazyOne]

Many luxury brands such as BMW, Audi, Lexus, and Genesis offer four door acoustic laminated glass on higher end models. It's expensive and heavy. It's also true that having laminated glass matters more in the front more so the rear. As for tires the Hankook iON HT tires have foam inside that helps with road noise.

They are prioritizing better reviews over safety. It's not my preference.

Which size rims do the Hankooks fit on?

 

[Electron]

They are prioritizing better reviews over safety. It's not my preference.

Which size rims do the Hankooks fit on?

Sizes: 18" to 22".

 

[CrazyOne]

Sizes: 18" to 22".

I looked up, 20 and 21 Hankook IONs don't seem to have the foam. I don't think smaller rims will work with Rivian, but not sure.

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