Rivian Owners - MBA Students Need Your Help

[Count Orlok]

Many many years of clinical research here. But anonymous surveys are typically exempt, especially those not requiring disclosure of protected information such as health information. Though an initial review to obtain exempt status is required. Re-reading your post I guess that’s where you meant exceptions.

exactly. even if exempt there is still an IRB process.

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[shrink]

exactly. even if exempt there is still an IRB process.

Good point. Looks like the relevant policy would be here:

https://www.stmarys-ca.edu/institutional-review-board/human-subject-policy

The IRB follows the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) to define human subject research.

Research means "a systematic investigation, including research development, testing, and evaluation, designed to develop or contribute to generalizable knowledge. Activities that meet this definition constitute research for purposes of this policy, whether or not they are conducted or supported under a program that is considered research for other purposes. For example, some demonstration and service programs may include research activities."

A human subject is defined as "a living individual about whom an investigator (whether professional or student) conducting research obtains (1) data through intervention or interaction with the individual, or (2) identifiable private information.”

To be considered human subject research, data obtained by the researcher from a living individual must be about the individual. Asking a school principal "What are the policies and procedures for dealing with faculty grievances?" does not solicit personal information about the principal, so it does not fit the definition of human subjects research. However, the question "As a school principal, how has dealing with faculty grievances affected you personally?" is about the principal, hence it fits the definition.

I haven't taken the survey so I don't know to what extent there is "(2) identifiable private information."

I imagine the second issue is "generalizable knowledge." I'm actually not sure of the exact definition of that term or if this project is "designed to develop or contribute generalizable knowledge."

 

[MountainBikeDude]

Responded.

Some mandatory questions rely on one owning a Rivian. I answered as though I did in those instances.

 

[Acoustic71]

Good evening, my name is Matthew Wieland, and I am a MBA candidate at Saint Mary's College of California, I am currently working on a group project that revolves around Rivian for a marketing research class, and we were wondering if anyone in this forum has already either received thier vehicle or has one order would like to respond to our survey. It shouldn't take more than 5-10 minutes. We would greatly appreciate it to anyone who could help us out. Also, if you have any additional feedback that isn't discussed in the survey, please let us know, as we would greatly appreciate hearing about your ownership experience.

Here is the link to our survey - Rivian, Inc. Brand Perception Survey

Thank you,
Matthew Wieland

Ah, good ole St Mary's. The guards there literally saved my life once when a drunk driver plowed into my little 1959 Nash Metropolitan. Good times! LOL

 

[Acoustic71]

interesting project but where is the IRB approval and/or exception?

Oh FFS! It's an MBA project in order for him to receive his Masters. This is the exact same crappola I went through when trying to get people to respond when I did mine back in the day. There is no personal info shared here folks. Get over it.

 

[Count Orlok]

Oh FFS! It's an MBA project in order for him to receive his Masters. This is the exact same crappola I went through when trying to get people to respond when I did mine back in the day. There is no personal info shared here folks. Get over it.

FFS Get over yourself. part of the lesson, at least when my students did such projects, is having to navigate the vagaries of IRB and other aspects of ethical research such as thinking about how the data will be used, stored, and maintained even after the study is over. You know... teaching students to conduct themselves like they would be expected to in the "real world" of survey research.

 

[Chewy734]

Responded. Best of luck with your project and studies!

 

[Craig Chapman]

Responded.

 

[Acoustic71]

FFS Get over yourself. part of the lesson, at least when my students did such projects, is having to navigate the vagaries of IRB and other aspects of ethical research such as thinking about how the data will be used, stored, and maintained even after the study is over. You know... teaching students to conduct themselves like they would be expected to in the "real world" of survey research.

Count, my point was that yes, they need to follow IRB, etc. But the challenge for me, and many others at my college/class, were finding/getting all of the people who needed to sign off to do so in a timely manner. That put an unbelievable amount of pressure on the individual students to have to decide if they should proceed with their surveys, or wait. In a compressed course timeframe that was a near impossible task. I pressed hard and received VERBAL approval (which is worthless), so I proceeded. I received the official, signed approval from the three sources I needed, the day the class ended. Several of my classmates never proceeded with their surveys, and ultimately, they were the ones that paid the price. They were nowhere to be seen at my commencement as they failed the course.

That's why I was calling BS. Not on the process itself, but on the manner which some colleges/universities do not support the students when they need it the most. If that is the ethical lesson that they were trying to teach, then THEY all got F's.

 

[Count Orlok]

Count, my point was that yes, they need to follow IRB, etc. But the challenge for me, and many others at my college/class, were finding/getting all of the people who needed to sign off to do so in a timely manner. That put an unbelievable amount of pressure on the individual students to have to decide if they should proceed with their surveys, or wait. In a compressed course timeframe that was a near impossible task. I pressed hard and received VERBAL approval (which is worthless), so I proceeded. I received the official, signed approval from the three sources I needed, the day the class ended. Several of my classmates never proceeded with their surveys, and ultimately, they were the ones that paid the price. They were nowhere to be seen at my commencement as they failed the course.

That's why I was calling BS. Not on the process itself, but on the manner which some colleges/universities do not support the students when they need it the most. If that is the ethical lesson that they were trying to teach, then THEY all got F's.

I don't disagree that IRB is frustrating especially for semester-long class projects as the timeframe for approval/exemption sucks. Back in the dark ages when I was hired my university didn't even have an office for it. When it was implemented it was done so in such a Byzantine way as to make it worthless especially for people in business, social sciences, and other non-STEM or health fields.

I understand why it exists but too often common sense is lacking. I laugh at how private businesses, non-profits, and even the gov't can conduct surveys with little concern for IRB yet someone trying to conduct a simple survey for his or her senior seminar gets put through the ringer.

 

[JeremyMKE]

As a Santa Clara Alum my instinct is to tell you to pound sand... Evidently I am maturing and I have completed your survey.

 

[shandel]

Oh FFS! It's an MBA project in order for him to receive his Masters. This is the exact same crappola I went through when trying to get people to respond when I did mine back in the day. There is no personal info shared here folks. Get over it.

Agree. Let's not overthink this. It's not clinical research. IRB is complete overkill. Don't fill out the survey if you don't want to have your responses recorded.

 

[lgyee4]

Added my $0.02! Good Luck Gael!

 

[Acoustic71]

As a Santa Clara Alum my instinct is to tell you to pound sand... Evidently I am maturing and I have completed your survey.

As a Santa Clara Alum you totally missed the fact that the survey was initiated in late November 2022. St. Mary's may or may not beat SC next time around, but I'm confident that the Gael in question is fairly amused that you finally got around to completing their survey.

 

[CEP]

Completed the survey… good luck. I do wish you had asked how I felt about the tonneau cover, you would have got a very different response from me.

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