Anyone change to a Dual Motor?

[kurtlikevonnegut]

I am referring to NORMAL usage (all purpose) and most normal vehicles seem to easily walk away from the R1T from a red light (not trying to race... just drive reasonably normal). The weight is big and obvious.

I drove almost exclusively in AP and very rarely do vehicles "walk away" from me from a red light even if they are trying to race. Even when I'm being very judicious with the go pedal I find myself out ahead of those around me but when I'm feeling froggy I find it easy to blast just about anyone off the line.

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[Inkedsphynx]

I drove almost exclusively in AP and very rarely do vehicles "walk away" from me from a red light even if they are trying to race. Even when I'm being very judicious with the go pedal I find myself out ahead of those around me but when I'm feeling froggy I find it easy to blast just about anyone off the line.

There's a reason I carry a supply of extra leashes in the the center console. Throw one out at the red light right before it turns green just to let the person next to me know what's about to happen.

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I agree with this comment. I've yet to have anyone take me off a red light even without 'launching', whether they were trying to or not. There aren't many vehicles that are average/daily drivers that can. I'd certainly take an extra 400hp, but calling an R1T sluggish makes me seriously question how skewed someone's perspective is.

 

[mini2nut]

I am curious of any current Quad Motor owners have placed a deposit for a state-of-the-art Dual Motor Enduro version.

 

[CommodoreAmiga]

There's a reason I carry a supply of extra leashes in the the center console. Throw one out at the red light right before it turns green just to let the person next to me know what's about to happen.

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I agree with this comment. I've yet to have anyone take me off a red light even without 'launching', whether they were trying to or not. There aren't many vehicles that are average/daily drivers that can. I'd certainly take an extra 400hp, but calling an R1T sluggish makes me seriously question how skewed someone's perspective is.

You can call me skewed if you want... But when a CT200h walks a R1T then it is what it is.

 

[CommodoreAmiga]

I am curious of any current Quad Motor owners have placed a deposit for a state-of-the-art Dual Motor Enduro version.

I challenge your "start of the art" assertion. It's newer than the Bosch motor, but what about it is so "state-of-the-art"? From what I've read/seen, it's just an in-house version of an old (but proven) design.

 

[Inkedsphynx]

CT200h

If we're talking about this amazingly quick vehicle - https://www.evo.co.uk/lexus/ct/performance-and-0-60-time - then I've got to agree with someone else's statement that there's something wrong with your truck. If you want to maintain loaners have the same behavior then there must be something wrong with you.

There is no world in which any R1T on the road takes 10 seconds to hit 60mph.

 

[SeaGeo]

I'm curious if these people who claim the dual motor is "more than adequate" have actually driven a quad motor R1T extensively?

Because I own one, and let me tell you that I actively want MORE power. These vehicles are HEAVY. That "820 hp" sounds like a lot, on paper, but really it isn't as much as you think it should be when driving it.

Don't get me wrong, it's no slouch... But it's not the electric sled that I was hoping for, based on the specs.

Give me a quad-variant with Enduro motors, 1200hp, and put the R1T on a serious diet (come on, why is the F150 Lightning larger and still considerably lighter??) and then maybe they'll get the power-to-weight ratio closer to where it should be.

I agree it needs to go on a diet. I am with @Dark-Fx and would disagree that it's sluggish.

I'm quite certain their drivetrain engineer has driven both the dual motor and quad motor variant.

Personally I'm tempted by the dual motor variant for a few reasons, and a theoretical 3.0 vs 3.5 second 0-60 really doesn't matter to me much.

After wrestling with the decision going back and forth between dual enhanced max, and quad large, I've decided to (well 90% sure) go with the quad large. After reading the drivetrain feature on the Rivian site, and listening to the interview with Rivians propulsion VP on RivianStories, it's clear the quad setup is their best offering, and the bulk of their drive modes, current and upcoming will be fully realized on that platform.

The lack of a quad max, is still like a lump of coal in my stocking on Christmas day, but it's difficult to justify what has now amounted to around 100 extra kilometres. Current epa is 328m for the large, and the "nearly 400 miles" projected for the Enduro max, it's just not enough to justify the expense any more. The quad large in my current config is 102k cdn, vs 135k for a non March. So the choice became more clear as I looked though things more carefully.

So, I'm pretty torn on this personally. After the podcast I was pretty disappointed with the dual motor/ max pack not being 800v. Still am. I don't value the 70 miles of range much, but I have been intrigued by the dual motor for quite a while, and being able to get the full rear axle power to one wheel is a very intriguing trade-off to me. That being said, the overall theoretical capabilities of the quad are awesome.

I'm curious how much more efficient the dual motor variant will be? Is it significantly lighter? Will it have more thermal longevity? What will the torque band look like? How does it perform in the instances off-road where the the quad struggles? Is Rivian slightly modifying the pack design at all to accomodate IEC 62196-1:2022's allowance for up to 800A instead of 500A? Can the current trucks accomodate higher amperage values?

I have the luxury of waiting on more info for the dual motor, so the only real "pain" of waiting for me is deciding whether to put PPF on the rest of my truck. So I'm in a bit of a wait and see mode. If I were in your shoes I'd probably get quad large pack as well.

I am curious of any current Quad Motor owners have placed a deposit for a state-of-the-art Dual Motor Enduro version.

I have an existing reservation for a max pack R1T, and have been trying to convince my guide into letting me switch our R1S reservation over to a dual motor for months. We really don't need a quad motor for our R1S reservation, it's really intended to be a mall crawler/commuter and people hauler for us, with my truck being the fun vehicle.

 

[Guy]

I agree it needs to go on a diet. I am with @Dark-Fx and would disagree that it's sluggish.

I'm quite certain their drivetrain engineer has driven both the dual motor and quad motor variant.

Personally I'm tempted by the dual motor variant for a few reasons, and a theoretical 3.0 vs 3.5 second 0-60 really doesn't matter to me much.



So, I'm pretty torn on this personally. After the podcast I was pretty disappointed with the dual motor/ max pack not being 800v. Still am. I don't value the 70 miles of range much, but I have been intrigued by the dual motor for quite a while, and being able to get the full rear axle power to one wheel is a very intriguing trade-off to me. That being said, the overall theoretical capabilities of the quad are awesome.

I'm curious how much more efficient the dual motor variant will be? Is it significantly lighter? Will it have more thermal longevity? What will the torque band look like? How does it perform in the instances off-road where the the quad struggles? Is Rivian slightly modifying the pack design at all to accomodate IEC 62196-1:2022's allowance for up to 800A instead of 500A? Can the current trucks accomodate higher amperage values?

I have the luxury of waiting on more info for the dual motor, so the only real "pain" of waiting for me is deciding whether to put PPF on the rest of my truck. So I'm in a bit of a wait and see mode. If I were in your shoes I'd probably get quad large pack as well.

I have an existing reservation for a max pack R1T, and have been trying to convince my guide into letting me switch our R1S reservation over to a dual motor for months. We really don't need a quad motor for our R1S reservation, it's really intended to be a mall crawler/commuter and people hauler for us, with my truck being the fun vehicle.

Do you think Rivian will allow pre March holders to “downgrade” to the dual motor set up and get a credit of say $4000 like the max pack people. That would reduce the number of Bosch motors they need to buy. The dual drive is coming out sooner than expected so this is a possibility. I expect essentially all pre March orders to be filled by end 2023 or early 2024 if they have a 50-60000 target for production next year.

 

[CommodoreAmiga]

There is no world in which any R1T on the road takes 10 seconds to hit 60mph.

I never said it did?

 

[Guy]

I know people would love 800V but they are highly unlikely to charge the electrical architects two years into building vehicles. It will have to wait until the second gen R1 and the first R2.

 

[Aardvark]

Looking for clarification here, as I've had the same thoughts as @Taco
Changing from a pre-price hike quad, to a dual motor version does not carry over any price discount, correct? I assume this because the dual motor version was not an option prior to the price hike.
We would still consider switching to dual-motor if the range increase were significant. We do a lot of Rocky Mountain camping, but zero serious off-roading. Range is more important to us than bouldering capability.
I await the EPA rating on the dual-motor version!

 

[SeaGeo]

Do you think Rivian will allow pre March holders to “downgrade” to the dual motor set up and get a credit of say $4000 like the max pack people. That would reduce the number of Bosch motors they need to buy. The dual drive is coming out sooner than expected so this is a possibility. I expect essentially all pre March orders to be filled by end 2023 or early 2024 if they have a 50-60000 target for production next year.

No, but that would be nice. I've been pushing for that for months. I don't understand why they won't either. They've said it's because the dual motor wasn't available at the time of reservation, but they've modified the configurator for several things that have changed since March (such as the different interiors). It seems like a win-win, but apparently Rivian thinks otherwise.

 

[SeaGeo]

I know people would love 800V but they are highly unlikely to charge the electrical architects two years into building vehicles. It will have to wait until the second gen R1 and the first R2.

Yeah, they're keeping with 400v. It's a bummer, but it is what it is at this point. I am hopeful they've sized things to accomodate more than 500A with the knowledge that the CCS standard was being updated this last summer, but who knows.

 

[Inkedsphynx]

I never said it did?

You can call me skewed if you want... But when a CT200h walks a R1T then it is what it is.

I don't think you understand what the term 'walking' means. You can't walk someone at the start line, only the finish line.

 

[Dark-Fx]

There is no world in which any R1T on the road takes 10 seconds to hit 60mph.

Sure there is. An icy one. I recorded this in snow mode with an inch of snow over ice on the road. I actually think slamming the brakes would result in the truck stopping in fewer feet, but snow tires are like that.

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