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Has anyone had experience using the simpleswitch product? https://simpleswitch.io/
I am planning to share the dryer circuit since my panel is maxed out.
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Has anyone had experience using the simpleswitch product? https://simpleswitch.io/
I am planning to share the dryer circuit since my panel is maxed out.
Not sure why you need this. If you buy the appropriate adapter you can use the dryer connection to charge your Rivian using the portable charger that was delivered with your vehicle. You are limited to 30 amps and so charging will be slower with approximately 15 miles delivered each hour. Obviously you can’t use your dryer while you are charging.
 

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Not sure why you need this. If you buy the appropriate adapter you can use the dryer connection to charge your Rivian using the portable charger that was delivered with your vehicle. You are limited to 30 amps and so charging will be slower with approximately 15 miles delivered each hour. Obviously you can’t use your dryer while you are charging.
If your dryer is not located close to where you charge your Rivian my solution may not work. Not sure why the item you suggested wouldn’t work but I believe you will be limited to 30 amps and you will need to select the lower amp setting in the Rivian before you start charging.
 

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Has anyone had experience using the simpleswitch product? https://simpleswitch.io/
I am planning to share the dryer circuit since my panel is maxed out.
Guys in here are quoting AMPs and you haven't even specified what your'e dealing with... SMH.

How "maxed out" is your panel? Can you make space with combined breakers? Or relocate stuff into a sub-panel? Or is it totally maxed to where you can't spare any potential amperage? In the latter case, it may be worth having an electrician do a proper load calc to see where you stand. What size is your service main breaker to begin with? Standard for anything relatively modern in a decent service area is 200A. You can run a pretty full house off a 200 AMP service...

What is your dryer circuit? Yes, clothes dryers predominantly only need a 30A circuit. However it has become more common to use NEMA 14-50 outlets (4-prong, typical for electric oven/range) in newer construction. In any places that follow recent NEC, those outlets must be properly wired and set with a 50A breaker. Any electrician that connects a 14-50 outlet onto an 30A circuit is a complete hack and creating a code violation and unsafe situation. There are a lot of these jokers out there. Especially in areas with poor code enforcement and permitting. Lots of stuff like this in older homes where homeowners took it upon themselves or hired a handyman.

If you have a proper 50A circuit, you can use something like the simple switch product you've linked if it helps not expanding your panel. It's not a great solution, IMO. And you will have to make wiring alterations and run new wire for the car charger anyway.

But we need more specifics as to what you're dealing with. For most homes, adding a 50 or 60 AMP circuit to charge a car at 40~48 AMPs is not as big of a stretch as you might think.
 
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Guys in here are quoting AMPs and you haven't even specified what your'e dealing with... SMH.

How "maxed out" is your panel? Can you make space with combined breakers? Or relocate stuff into a sub-panel? Or is it totally maxed to where you can't spare any potential amperage? In the latter case, it may be worth having an electrician do a proper load calc to see where you stand. What size is your service main breaker to begin with? Standard for anything relatively modern in a decent service area is 200A. You can run a pretty full house off a 200 AMP service...

What is your dryer circuit? Yes, clothes dryers predominantly only need a 30A circuit. However it has become more common to use NEMA 14-50 outlets (4-prong, typical for electric oven/range) in newer construction. In any places that follow recent NEC, those outlets must be properly wired and set with a 50A breaker. Any electrician that connects a 14-50 outlet onto an 30A circuit is a complete hack and creating a code violation and unsafe situation. There are a lot of these jokers out there. Especially in areas with poor code enforcement and permitting. Lots of stuff like this in older homes where homeowners took it upon themselves or hired a handyman.

If you have a proper 50A circuit, you can use something like the simple switch product you've linked if it helps not expanding your panel. It's not a great solution, IMO. And you will have to make wiring alterations and run new wire for the car charger anyway.

But we need more specifics as to what you're dealing with. For most homes, adding a 50 or 60 AMP circuit to charge a car at 40~48 AMPs is not as big of a stretch as you might think.
Electrician already reviewed my panel and told me it is full. Hot tub has taken up all the slack. Dryer confirmed 30 amps.
 

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I use a similar kind of product (https://getneocharge.com) on my dryer outlet. Similar boat where I don't have anymore space on my panel so I just have my dryer and portable charger plugged into the Neo. It prioritizes the dryer and switches off the charger which is a nice feature.

Only word of caution is to make sure you manually adjust the amperage in the R1 whenever you plug it in to charge. The mobile charger will tell the vehicle you're pulling from a 14-50 outlet when, in fact, you are not. I always change it on the charging screen to 24amps and then plug in.
 

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Not sure why you need this. If you buy the appropriate adapter you can use the dryer connection to charge your Rivian using the portable charger that was delivered with your vehicle. You are limited to 30 amps and so charging will be slower with approximately 15 miles delivered each hour. Obviously you can’t use your dryer while you are charging.
EVSEs are considered continuous loads, so you need to limit current to 80% of the circuit capacity; therefore, you should only pull 24A from a typical 30A dryer circuit. 24A would give you ~12 miles per hour of range gained.
 

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Has anyone had experience using the simpleswitch product? https://simpleswitch.io/
I am planning to share the dryer circuit since my panel is maxed out.
There's a version of that that comes with a J1772 connector - it is basically an EVSE that shares power. That's the version I would get since you wouldn't need to fiddle with adapters or set the amps in the car. The box would tell the vehicle to only charge at 24A.
 

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What is your dryer circuit? Yes, clothes dryers predominantly only need a 30A circuit. However it has become more common to use NEMA 14-50 outlets (4-prong, typical for electric oven/range) in newer construction.
Incorrect. All dryers use a 30A circuit. Older houses use a NEMA 10-30 receptacle which has three prongs, while newer houses use a NEMA 14-30 receptacle which has 4 prongs, but they are both 30A receptacles.

In any places that follow recent NEC, those outlets must be properly wired and set with a 50A breaker. Any electrician that connects a 14-50 outlet onto an 30A circuit is a complete hack and creating a code violation and unsafe situation. There are a lot of these jokers out there. Especially in areas with poor code enforcement and permitting. Lots of stuff like this in older homes where homeowners took it upon themselves or hired a handyman.
No one was suggesting this. The OP has an electrician which recommended the simpleswitch, I believe.
 

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you can circuit share or whole panel monitor with the simplswitch. you are not limited to sharing the dryer 30Amp circuit/ 24amp charging. you can share with an oven circuit 40Amp/32Amp charging. or whole panel monitor and have charging till you reach 80% of panel capacity. when usage goes down charging circuit is turned on automatically
 

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Beware the travel charger...

Despite your best efforts, it really likes to reset to 32amp on the regular, even after you switch it and walk away charging. Ask my in-laws' dryer breaker how I know...

I highly suggest getting a subpanel with independent EV charger, or if you're sticking with this switch at least a different charger that can be physically set with drop switches or something to 24amp.
 

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Has anyone had experience using the simpleswitch product? https://simpleswitch.io/
I am planning to share the dryer circuit since my panel is maxed out.
I considered getting one of these, but I found the cost to be prohibitive. Instead, I just set my charge schedule to be 3am - 10am. No one is gonna be up doing laundry at those hours in our house.

Furthermore, charging off of our dryer outlet is only a temporary stopgap until we can upgrade our electrical panel to be able to handle a dedicated EV Charger.

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Beware the travel charger...

Despite your best efforts, it really likes to reset to 32amp on the regular, even after you switch it and walk away charging. Ask my in-laws' dryer breaker how I know...

I highly suggest getting a subpanel with independent EV charger, or if you're sticking with this switch at least a different charger that can be physically set with drop switches or something to 24amp.
I agree with this. Just get a subpanel installed, you spend $$$ on the truck, spend some to get a dedicated outlet with a good L2 charger.
 

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Agree, EVs are not going away. What happens if you buy a second EV? Having 48A charge capability becomes most important if you need to charge two vehicles the same day. It makes long term sense to invest in the proper permanent solution - add a subpanel, get 48a charge capacity. It adds value to the house as well.
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