R1T Max Pack + Dual Motor range update from Rivian: 335, 360 and 400 miles range

[KootenayEV]

Axial cooling means the heat energy can travel through the same medium to get to the end and doesn't have to exchange between mediums to get out.

Yep agreed, I should have been more clear on that in my post.

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[kendall merinbaum]

I question the validity of the tire/mileage numbers given by Rivian unless the buyer is staying with the same tire at replacement time. If the rubber compound, tread pattern, tire patch is the same on both the 21's and 22's, the only difference is 1/2" of sidewall flex from axle to the pavement. That constitutes an extra 40 miles of travel from the dual/max r1t? I can't believe Rivian is placing a sticky Y or Z rated 22" tire on the truck to create a 40 mile drop.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I question the validity of the tire/mileage numbers given by Rivian unless the buyer is staying with the same tire at replacement time. If the rubber compound, tread pattern, tire patch is the same on both the 21's and 22's, the only difference is 1/2" of sidewall flex from axle to the pavement. That constitutes an extra 40 miles of travel from the dual/max r1t? I can't believe Rivian is placing a sticky Y or Z rated 22" tire on the truck to create a 40 mile drop.

21" wheels are rated with the aero covers on. They do make a difference. Having driven the R1S with 21s and the R1T with 22s, the 22 tire rubber is way stickier as well.

 

[jznd400]

I was a Quad/Max holdout until Rivian confirmed that was not going to be happening. Now I'm looking at (normal) Dual/Max which brings me in under the $80k IRS threshold.

I asked my guide when my drop dead date is to confirm my order to preserve the pre-March pricing. His response was "You would need to confirm your configuration now to lock in the current pricing" and "the Dual Motor Max Battery should start production closer to the end of the year. If we get your order locked in before April 15th we should have updated Delivery Window Estimates by the end of the month."

So between these two statements, it sounds like I have a week to lock in my order or I lose my pre-March pricing. Does this sound right?

There's so much double speak and shifting communications with Rivian I trust this forum far more than the company!

 

[Nsblifer]

I was a Quad/Max holdout until Rivian confirmed that was not going to be happening. Now I'm looking at (normal) Dual/Max which brings me in under the $80k IRS threshold.

I asked my guide when my drop dead date is to confirm my order to preserve the pre-March pricing. His response was "You would need to confirm your configuration now to lock in the current pricing" and "the Dual Motor Max Battery should start production closer to the end of the year. If we get your order locked in before April 15th we should have updated Delivery Window Estimates by the end of the month."

So between these two statements, it sounds like I have a week to lock in my order or I lose my pre-March pricing. Does this sound right?

There's so much double speak and shifting communications with Rivian I trust this forum far more than the company!

What exactly is “locking” your order? If you’re configured, you’re configured. You are dual motor by default now.

 

[Leo]

Noticed that the configurator changed the range in my Quad/20 AT spec from 289mi to 274mi, a range hit vs the 21's of 56mi. Why the drop in range?

 

[Dark-Fx]

I was a Quad/Max holdout until Rivian confirmed that was not going to be happening. Now I'm looking at (normal) Dual/Max which brings me in under the $80k IRS threshold.

I asked my guide when my drop dead date is to confirm my order to preserve the pre-March pricing. His response was "You would need to confirm your configuration now to lock in the current pricing" and "the Dual Motor Max Battery should start production closer to the end of the year. If we get your order locked in before April 15th we should have updated Delivery Window Estimates by the end of the month."

So between these two statements, it sounds like I have a week to lock in my order or I lose my pre-March pricing. Does this sound right?

There's so much double speak and shifting communications with Rivian I trust this forum far more than the company!

There might be a point where Rivian says any changes to your configuration means you lose the locked pricing, but we haven't heard anything about that happening yet and I am kind of doubtful they would do that.

 

[Zybane]

Yikes, 335 miles with 20" Max Pack dual is terrible.

 

[NineElectrics]

Yikes, 335 miles with 20" Max Pack dual is terrible.

They’re trying really hard not to cancel the product, which would be an even more egregious bait and switch. You can tell they didn’t want to make it in its original form.

 

[zipzag]

The only hope is that Rivian is sandbagging the likely max pack EPA range. $7/$10K for 35 miles more range is unreasonable.

The max pack ranges for R1S at 390 miles and R1T at 400 is inexplicable.

 

[chase]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/7/2...ance-dual-motor-availability-max-pack-battery

One interesting nugget from this article: Rivian’s PR team responded to a request for comment and said Max Pack is still 180 kWh.

Not sure if that’s true. Maybe a miscommunication. But it’s different than m what most of us had assumed: that Rivian was achieving the higher range mostly with efficiency improvements and that the pack size would be smaller than what was announced years ago. In fact, if true, it means the R1T needs Max Pack to be 33% larger than Large Pack to get just 14% more range. Maybe this is what Rivian has been wrestling with; maybe this is the point at which the weight of the battery impacts range so negatively that you really get diminishing returns for increased battery capacity.

Makes me wonder about eMPG. I might want a Large Pack instead of a Max Pack if it’s way more efficient.

 

[zipzag]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/7/2...ance-dual-motor-availability-max-pack-battery

One interesting nugget from this article: Rivian’s PR team responded to a request for comment and said Max Pack is still 180 kWh.

Not sure if that’s true. Maybe a miscommunication. But it’s different than m what most of us had assumed: that Rivian was achieving the higher range mostly with efficiency improvements and that the pack size would be smaller than what was announced years ago. In fact, if true, it means the R1T needs Max Pack to be 33% larger than Large Pack to get just 14% more range. Maybe this is what Rivian has been wrestling with; maybe this is the point at which the weight of the battery impacts range so negatively that you really get diminishing returns for increased battery capacity.

Makes me wonder about eMPG. I might want a Large Pack instead of a Max Pack if it’s way more efficient.

If true they are trying to not Osborne current large pack sales.

But I wouldn't be surprised is the PR team was looking at an old document.

 

[Dark-Fx]

One interesting nugget from this article: Rivian’s PR team responded to a request for comment and said Max Pack is still 180 kWh

Guessing it was a misunderstanding. Max Pack is what Rivian previously referred to as 180kWh. Pretty much guaranteed it's closer to 165kWh or perhaps even less.

 

[Throwdown]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/7/2...ance-dual-motor-availability-max-pack-battery

One interesting nugget from this article: Rivian’s PR team responded to a request for comment and said Max Pack is still 180 kWh.

Not sure if that’s true. Maybe a miscommunication. But it’s different than m what most of us had assumed: that Rivian was achieving the higher range mostly with efficiency improvements and that the pack size would be smaller than what was announced years ago. In fact, if true, it means the R1T needs Max Pack to be 33% larger than Large Pack to get just 14% more range. Maybe this is what Rivian has been wrestling with; maybe this is the point at which the weight of the battery impacts range so negatively that you really get diminishing returns for increased battery capacity.

Makes me wonder about eMPG. I might want a Large Pack instead of a Max Pack if it’s way more efficient.

No way the added weight would reduce range that much, especially while holding constant speeds, added weight actually helps in that scenario. The max pack is probably just one module larger to get to150kwh. 180kwh probably isn't doable without a total battery redesign for packaging/crash testing especially in for the R1S.
The large battery has 9 modules so each module is 15kwh. To get to 180kwh they would have to add 3 more modules( they aren't small in size if you've never seen one removed on a bench)
I firmly believe the new "max" pack will replace the large and they will introduce the standard pack and just have two battery options in the near future. Standard and Max

 

[Goose]

No way the added weight would reduce range that much, especially while holding constant speeds, added weight actually helps in that scenario. The max pack is probably just one module larger to get to150kwh. 180kwh probably isn't doable without a total battery redesign for packaging/crash testing especially in for the R1S.
The large battery has 9 modules so each module is 15kwh. To get to 180kwh they would have to add 3 more modules( they aren't small in size if you've never seen one removed on a bench)
I firmly believe the new "max" pack will replace the large and they will introduce the standard pack and just have two battery options in the near future. Standard and Max

If they eliminate the Large pack, and don’t adjust pricing, that would be a $16k price difference in just the battery. They would need to increase the standard pack to be closer to the capacity of the large.

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