Toyota Touts 745-mile range, 10 minute charge for Solid-State battery

[theyoungone]

This is true, the technology has been talked about for years....

Not just that. It’s the fact that it’s Toyota. I have one of their cars. I love my RAV4 Hybrid. I would by a BEV 4Runner in a heartbeat. But as @COdogman and I have talked about before, they have been not only been against electrification, they’ve actively lobbied against it. This change in tune is merely for the appearance of keeping up with the Joneses. I’m sure they’ll produce more BEVs but until it’s a full on Toyota product (unlike the bz4x) and they’re ACTIVELY invested not just saying crap, I won’t be putting my money anywhere near it.

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[Hillbilly]

Toyota is pretty good at throwing out hype to keep people from investing in other tech and waiting on them.

They'd be better off by telling me they were bringing a manual diesel land cruiser to the states though. I wouldn't care if it got 3 mpg.

 

[Chewy734]

Don’t forget about the price for this new tech, and did they mention if they need an Arc reactor to charge these batteries?

 

[tylerdurden03]

Do they even have an EV on the market? Ill believe it when they are in actually in the game…

 

[gt2690b]

Do they even have an EV on the market? Ill believe it when they are in actually in the game…

Their commercials are so ridiculous.. "most electric models of any other manufacturers" since they are counting their hybrids and they literally have barely one BEV

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

I’ll get excited for stuff like this if it makes it to market. Otherwise, I just see it as Toyota throwing skeptical news out there to try and keep their name relevant in the EV market.

Yup. Headline grabbers while buying more time... hoping the market would see the light and go their way: hydrogen.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Do they even have an EV on the market? Ill believe it when they are in actually in the game…

Lexus RZ/Subaru Solterra... the one that's been recalled twice since for wheels falling off, literally.

 

[SASSquatch]

IF Toyota can successfully bring this to market it definitely close the use case gap that justifies ICE based vehicles. IMO, 10 minutes for charging is more important than the range. If we can get 300+ miles of range in 10 minutes or less, it’s game over for ICE. Only diehards and collectors will keep using them.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news...ange-10-minute-charge-for-solid-state-battery

Solid State batteries are the future. Not to start a war in this thread, but the battery tech is so much more important than the stupid ? 'ing port.

Batteries of today use liquid electrolyte which creates a risk for explosion or fire. Solid State batteries have zero liquid electrolyte so they have almost zero risk of fire. They are also much more energy dense, and can be charged at much faster rates.

The entire charging infrastructure and battery technology landscape will look completely different 5 years from now.

Companies that are publically traded have been working on Solid State batteries for years. One of the biggest players, Solid Power, is licensing its technology to BMW and you can expect to see those EVs in the next 5 years.

 

[SASSquatch]

Yup. Headline grabbers while buying more time... hoping the market would see the light and go their way: hydrogen.

Hydrogen? That is absolutely never going to happen. Toyota has been dicking around with hydrogen for a decade or more and it simply isn't viable. You need hydrogen refueling stations and massive infrastructure investment for that to happen.

Porsche is working with other partners to develop efuels. Basically, petrol that has had the carbon scrubbed out of it so that it acts just like regular fuel, except it has almost zero pollution. Stores and lasts as long as regular petrol/gasoline and the infrastructure we currently have is all you need.

You can read about it here:

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/202...ant-haru-oni-chile-synthetic-fuels-30732.html

That is 100% more likely to happen then hydrogen...

 

[SASSquatch]

Just to prove my point, Nissan has already announced they expect to have solid state batteries in their EVs by 2028:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42768205/nissan-solid-state-batteries-2028-evs/

 

[srnyoung]

Hydrogen? That is absolutely never going to happen. Toyota has been dicking around with hydrogen for a decade or more and it simply isn't viable. You need hydrogen refueling stations and massive infrastructure investment for that to happen.

Porsche is working with other partners to develop efuels. Basically, petrol that has had the carbon scrubbed out of it so that it acts just like regular fuel, except it has almost zero pollution. Stores and lasts as long as regular petrol/gasoline and the infrastructure we currently have is all you need.

You can read about it here:

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/202...ant-haru-oni-chile-synthetic-fuels-30732.html

That is 100% more likely to happen then hydrogen...

Strongly disagree...
The feds are very invested in making hydrogen happen, to the tune of $8BILLION dollars they want to give away to companies that have some projects going and in the works. Obsidian Renewables in OR/WA is looking for $700Mil to jumpstart their project in E.Washington early this year, which will largely be self-funding due to production tax credits.
https://www.opb.org/article/2023/01/20/pacific-northwest-renewable-hydrogen-federal-funding/

It's unlikely to be the fuel of choice for personal vehicles (if they are still a thing later this century) but for a lot of uses hydrogen will be a great solution.

Maybe your e-fuels will happen also, or even first but not only...plus, congress has mandated that we make extra carbon-intensive synthetic fuels in this country out of corn to the corn-farmer's enormous benefit for decades...

 

[SASSquatch]

Strongly disagree...
The feds are very invested in making hydrogen happen, to the tune of $8BILLION dollars they want to give away to companies that have some projects going and in the works. Obsidian Renewables in OR/WA is looking for $700Mil to jumpstart their project in E.Washington early this year, which will largely be self-funding due to production tax credits.
https://www.opb.org/article/2023/01/20/pacific-northwest-renewable-hydrogen-federal-funding/

It's unlikely to be the fuel of choice for personal vehicles (if they are still a thing later this century) but for a lot of uses hydrogen will be a great solution.

Maybe your e-fuels will happen also, or even first but not only...plus, congress has mandated that we make extra carbon-intensive synthetic fuels in this country out of corn to the corn-farmer's enormous benefit for decades...

Um..........

Did you read your own link? That funding is to create "6 to 10 sites" across the country for, and I am going to direct quote:

"The details of its proposal have not been made public, but the association claims it could create tens of thousands of jobs to supply the aviation, agriculture and other industries with green hydrogen."

Nobody is talking about using hydrogen to fuel automobiles. You would need TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to create infrastructure to do that.

 

[SANZC02]

Just to prove my point, Nissan has already announced they expect to have solid state batteries in their EVs by 2028:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42768205/nissan-solid-state-batteries-2028-evs/

I agree at some point solid state will be viable for consumers just not sure this decade. They have been saying for at least 10 years now they will be available in 5 years.

They have some already, the issues they are struggling with are being able to manufacture at scale and that they need to be warmed up before each use. The ones they are currently using are in commercial vehicles like busses where they need to warm up for 30 minutes before they can drive but since they are used all day it is not as impactful.

Have not heard recently any updates around these 2 major obstacles so seems like progress is very slow.

 

[HaveBlue]

Like the hydrogen fuel cars coming to market?

I absolutely love my 3rd gen 4Runner but this is absolutely comical coming from a company that gave us the Prius and absolutely dropped the ball on the electrification to Tesla.

The only Toyota EV has at market, the BZ4X, bricked on a youtube reviewer (Kyle Conner) and also severely derates fast charging when it seems it wants to.

I agree with Toyota in that you can't fully rely on the full electrification of transportation, especially in cold climates and/or heavy towing applications, but this smells awfully of bullshit.

Also, where is my hybrid 4Runner Toyota?

Oh it's coming but with NIMH batteries. They haven't even progressed properly to Li and are claiming to have cracked solid state ones. I've owned lots of Toyotas and they are great and reliable but not progressive.

 

[Sgt Beavis]

Hydrogen? That is absolutely never going to happen. Toyota has been dicking around with hydrogen for a decade or more and it simply isn't viable. You need hydrogen refueling stations and massive infrastructure investment for that to happen.

Porsche is working with other partners to develop efuels. Basically, petrol that has had the carbon scrubbed out of it so that it acts just like regular fuel, except it has almost zero pollution. Stores and lasts as long as regular petrol/gasoline and the infrastructure we currently have is all you need.

You can read about it here:

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/202...ant-haru-oni-chile-synthetic-fuels-30732.html

That is 100% more likely to happen then hydrogen...

I think we’re looking at EVs for personal transport but hydrogen will play a role in heavy industry, aviation, and maybe long haul trucking. I‘m pretty sure short haul trucking can be covered even with current BEV tech. The real issue with hydrogen is that it’s made mostly from fossil fuels and electrolysis isn’t very efficient at all.

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