Rivian Max Pack EPA Data (document shows 141-142 kWh usable battery)

[Throwdown]

I'd like to see a real world test, but to me $10k for 10-14kwh is just wrong.

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[Tr4ckD4ys]

2.37 x 142 = 337 miles.

Yeah I’m just telling you what the screen says… I haven’t done any testing in real world range.

 

[Supratachophobia]

In all honesty… is there any factual evidence of how significant this “faster degradation” would be? Ie how much range/capacity is one losing over the first 5 years of max pack versus large pack?

Tesla's 90kwh battery vs. their 85kwh batteries has been my personal experience. But yes, I'm sure we could find some real data to support my claim. The good news is that if you can keep heat in check AND not stay at 100% for an extended period of time, it will go a long way towards mitigating those risks. But apples to apples, those are the trade-offs you make when you try to cram more magic into a cell.

 

[Supratachophobia]

This isn’t the first time. Your attitude here is always one of cynicism, “someone out there is always trying to deceive you”, generally unproductive word choices. Just gets real tiresome.

So are my concerns untrue? I'll lay it out for you. Not a single expectation that I have with Rivian has been of my own invention. For example, have you ever heard me rail against the lack of 800v batteries or Android Auto? Nope. Because those weren't ever on the road map for R1.

What chaps my bumper is telling me I'm getting a quad pack with a 180kwh battery. Not happening. Working PTC? Nope. Delivery by 2022? Nope. Delivery by 2023? Nada. A unique/special purchasing experience by utilizing a guide? Meh. Premium licensed sound system? Sorry. PTC fixes by summer? Crickets.

Bottom line, I'm actually ok with deliverables changing. But don't try to spin it as if the reason is to benefit me and that I should be thanking you. And certainly don't try to hide information like how big the battery actually is or lie to us about how less speakers with smaller magnets will sound better.

Rivian can't afford to fall short right now. They are at an inflection point of their success/failure as a company. All these service issues eating away at goodwill? Awful for everyone. Lack of QC at factory that causes said service issues? Aweful for everyone. But I don't complain about those. I remember Tesla struggling in the beginning so I have some perspective. Hell, I didn't even complain about the software debacle. Stuff happens, and if it's not DNS, it's always a cert!

In order for myself and others to make informed purchased decisions, they need to know that their experience will match the expectations set forth. I think Rivian has dipped their toe in playing fast and loose with promises and timelines. And I don't think that's good for anyone.

Moving forward, even with all the changes, I still see value in the vehicle. And I'm going to get said vehicle. And I'm going to enjoy said vehicle. And just like Tesla, I'm going to be honest with the hundreds, if not thousands, of people that will talk to me about my vehicle. And I'll give them an honest opinion so they can decide if that vehicle is right for them. But I'm not going to lie, and I'm not to stay silent about an issue. Who does that benefit?

 

[Supratachophobia]

Ignore still shows their posts here, and they still show up on the reaction lists.

And importantly, ignore doesn’t mean that the ignored users won’t see your posts—this would be a true block feature, where a blocked user wouldn’t ever know you exist on the site

I'd actually just settle for a dislike button....

 

[mkhuffman]

Moving forward, even with all the changes, I still see value in the vehicle. And I'm going to get said vehicle. And I'm going to enjoy said vehicle.

The R1 Max Pack is still the longest range vehicle available to purchase today. It is possible the Gravity will do better, but I only care about highway range really. And I don't think the Gravity will do better at 80 mph with a 120 kWh battery. And it won't even be available to purchase for another year, assuming I put my name on the list as soon as they start taking pre-orders.

So the R1S (or maybe the T) Max Pack is still the top contender to replace my Mach-e. And it really is a great vehicle, in so many respects. I am just so, so disappointed it doesn't have a bigger battery. Like you, I think the 180 pack would have been awesome. Oh, well.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

Forgetting about EPA range for a second. I am not convinced there is a ton of difference between dual and quad motor. At 100% soc my QM R1T shows a range in line with EPA of 328 miles...now...when I put it in conserve it shows me 347 miles (EPA didn't test QM in conserve they test in the default mode which is AP) but the other trucks show numbers very close to EPA when fully charged. For example YT videos of DM Max R1T show 410 mi range when at 100% soc. So...the DM large gets an extra 5 miles of range over QM in conserve according to the Rivian vehicle display...granted DM has all power on tap while also running more efficiently in AP...but I am just talking about pure range.

Is it possible they are using different inverters on max pack? Sure its possible but look Rivian hasn't said anything about max pack and the reports I have seen online are quite low. The product should sell itself and Rivian should be shouting from the roof tops about all the benefits of max pack over large....but nothing other than the slightly extra range. How did they get 8 kwh per 100 miles difference from what is shown on fueleconomy.gov? 2.9 mi per kwh is about 35 kwh per 100 mi when you round up. Fueleconomy.gov shows 43 kwh per 100 mi for the DM Large with 21" Road.

Speculation on my part but if I were rivian I would rather do some software tuning than have to produce different sets of hardware. My bet would be on there is some software tuning done on max pack....a range tune if you will...but its pure speculation.

Bottom line is I like to think in terms of what I am getting for the upcharge and let's say its 11 kwh extra..doesn't seem compelling to me. Heck on a recent trip with my T in conserve mode I drove well over three hours before I had to stop and charge....I don't need anymore range...my bladder couldn't handle it ?

 

[Sgt Beavis]

I'd like to see a real world test, but to me $10k for 10-14kwh is just wrong.

Yea, that's been a real turn off for me. It's practically a ripoff.

 

[Tr4ckD4ys]

I’m still hoping for some software hocus pocus that will make the Max Pack get more range

 

[Throwdown]

Yea, that's been a real turn off for me. It's practically a ripoff.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, the max pack needs to replace the large altogether and charge a little bit more than the large pack over the standard pack.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, the max pack needs to replace the large altogether and charge a little bit more than the large pack over the standard pack.

Agree...if they want to upcharge, software limit max pack to something lower and then upcharge to unlock the full capacity. GM gave Bolt EV owners an extra 6 kwh for free on the bolt with a chemistry change.

The software locks are good for Rivian! It allows folks to get the truck at a lower price and then opens up the ability to Rivian to sell them an upgrade after the sale.

 

[Epicloop]

I'd like to see a real world test, but to me $10k for 10-14kwh is just wrong.

I don't like it either so I am looking at it like $10k for 50-60 extra miles as a bit more justifiable.

I’m still hoping for some software hocus pocus that will make the Max Pack get more range

It certainly looks like they already used that hocus pocus to get the stated increased efficiencies per kw.

 

[R1TS]

Really interesting, 141.8 kWh usable and 410 miles on EPA 5 cycle, meaning 346 Wh/mi or 2.89 mi/kWh, quite impressive

Point to even just one post by someone with a max pack showing their efficiency over at least a few thousand miles being 2.89 mi/kWh.
Not a single one I’ve yet seen.
These heavy, inefficient Rivians aren’t somehow magically more efficient than a Model X.

But, for the sake of $RIVN stock, hopefully they sell a ton. Haha.

 

[R1TS]

Agree...if they want to upcharge, software limit max pack to something lower and then upcharge to unlock the full capacity. GM gave Bolt EV owners an extra 6 kwh for free on the bolt with a chemistry change.

The software locks are good for Rivian! It allows folks to get the truck at a lower price and then opens up the ability to Rivian to sell them an upgrade after the sale.

At the expense of installing additional batteries that may never be paid for.

As a $RIVN holder, definitely not.

 

[DuoRivians]

Point to even just one post by someone with a max pack showing their efficiency over at least a few thousand miles being 2.89 mi/kWh.
Not a single one I’ve yet seen.
These heavy, inefficient Rivians aren’t somehow magically more efficient than a Model X.

But, for the sake of $RIVN stock, hopefully they sell a ton. Haha.

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...nd-max-pack-reviews-missing.20398/post-434561

2.66 mi/kwh with three passengers + medium size crate in bed

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