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TLDR;
  1. Flatten your EQ by using the “Default” setting or the reset icon.
  2. Use these EQ settings: 63 hz -3 notches, 125 hz -2, 250 hz +1, 500 hz +1, 1 khz -4, 2 khz +1, 4 khz +1, 8 khz -1, 16 khz -2.
  3. Use Tidal or Spotify in high quality playback mode. Avoid Bluetooth for music playback.
  4. Enjoy better listening.
I arrived at these settings after taking 18 acoustic measurements and analyzing their results. To learn more about what I did and how I arrived at those settings, read on.

11E517FA-F12B-4BE5-8282-4CD2EEDA3AC8_1_102_o.jpeg


Why I Measured My R1S’s Audio Performance

Rivian sold the R1S/T’s sound system as a major feature. As a former audio engineer who worked on a few indie albums and short movies--and as a hi-fi enthusiast—I considered the Meridian system a significant selling point. I wanted to measure its performance when I got my vehicle to be impressed and feel good about my purchase. When Rivian switched the Meridian system to an in-house system and claimed that testers preferred it to the Meridian, I got annoyed and wanted to test it even more. My R1S has the Rivian Audio/non-Meridian system.

When I took delivery of my R1S in August 2023, I was enthralled by the vehicle but not by its sound system. That said, it wasn’t wholly disappointing, either. I haven’t owned a vehicle with a better sound system than the R1S, but I certainly had vehicles with much worse systems (looking at you, Lexus, and Honda).

If my prior vehicles sounded no better than the R1S, what’s my reference point?

My home theater setup. It comprises relatively high-end gear carefully calibrated in an acoustically treated room. I paid several acousticians to help me solve specific acoustic problems (speaker bounder interference response effects, etc.), including the well-known acoustician Matthew Poes of Audioholics fame. To give you an idea of my system’s performance, dual 15” ported subwoofers generate bass with a depth and volume that approaches the electronica concerts I attend—the kind that affects your equilibrium. (For those who know what this means, my -3 dB point is 16.2 Hz.) The stereo image it creates borders on holographic; if you close your eyes, you can “see” the bassist standing to the left of the singer. This system isn’t perfect (it has relatively high RT60 decay times, and the subwoofers can bottom out at high sound pressure levels), but I tell you all this so you know I come at my Rivian tests with somewhat educated ears.

All right, enough setup. Let’s get into the tests and results.

Objectives, Methodology, Tests, and Results

Objectives

  1. Understand the R1S audio system’s faults.
  2. Understand the system’s behavior.
  3. Determine what—if anything—I could do to improve its performance.
Methodology
  • Flattened the EQ using the Default setting.
  • Turned off 3D Surround Sound and Dynamic Sound Adjustment.
  • Turned off climate control to reduce in-cabin noise as much as possible.
  • Parked in a closed garage to reduce external noise as much as possible.
  • Put a calibrated UMIK-1 microphone roughly where my ears would be in the driver’s seat.
  • Connected my MacBook Pro to the Rivian Audio system via Bluetooth. This connection method had meaningful downsides—namely data and resolution loss- but Rivian Support told me they didn’t know of another way to make the vehicle a target audio device. USB didn’t work. It was the best I could do at the time.
  • Set the Rivian’s volume to 16 to give me 75 dB of pink noise, C-weighted, generated by Room EQ Wizard (the industry standard acoustic measurement app). 75 dB is a typical level for performing measurements.
6DEDA574-7C1E-42B6-8D7B-D9B519317668_1_102_o.jpeg


9EBFAF6C-AF1C-4143-AF16-292D3273B2BA_1_102_o.jpeg


Tests and a Short Lesson in Room (Cabin) Acoustics

I ran 18 sweeps from 0-20,000 Hz through the Left and Right device inputs. A sweep is an audio signal sent to the sound system that sweeps across a given frequency range at a uniform volume. The recording microphone picks up what comes out of the speakers and what the room—the cabin, in this case—does to the sound.

Ideally, the microphone records uniform volume across the given frequency range so that we hear the musician’s recording as it was mixed. Mixing engineers decide the right balance between the kick drum, snare, bass guitar, and voice, which all occupy different frequency ranges. However, the world is messy, and we never hear what the engineer intended.

Here’s why.

The space sound bounces around contributes approximately 50% of what you hear in a typical home theater. As sound waves, like water waves, bounce off boundaries, they reflect and interfere with other waves—think of the surface of a pool after a kid cannonballs into it. We hear bounced waves like we hear waves coming directly from speakers, except that bounced waves are time-delayed (because they cover a greater distance to your ears) and frequency-skewed because the materials they bounce off of absorb and reflect different frequencies of sound with different strengths. Think how clapping inside a tile/glass room sounds vs. a carpeted closet filled with clothes. Same clap, different surfaces reflecting that clap.

Given the dimensions of the space and the location of the listener, waves at different frequencies constructively or destructively interfere with each other (remember physics class?) at that listening location, meaning the room acts like an EQ on your music, boosting and cutting frequencies. When a peak meets a peak, the volume of that frequency increases. When a peak meets a trough, they cancel at that frequency.

Unfortunately, the room is an equalizer whose settings you can’t change unless you move your listening position (hard to do as the driver), change the cabin’s dimensions and material composition (hard to do unless you’re Rivian), move the speakers (also hard to do unless you’re Rivian), or remove the cabin’s walls, roof, and floor altogether, allowing the speakers to play in free air (hard to do and pass NHTSA safety regulations). Moreover, smaller rooms bounce waves back sooner and with more energy (i.e., volume) than larger spaces because waves travel a shorter distance and lose less energy to friction and propagation. Remember, sound waves propagate in all 3 dimensions, losing power as the inverse square of distance. I’m not a car audio engineer, but I suspect a car cabin dictates more than 50% of what you hear because of how small it is.

Got all that?

Good.

I used the first sweep as a reference to see outstanding acoustic issues and set a baseline for the effects of the EQ changes I made. I only changed EQ because I had no other tools at my disposal. In home theater systems, you can change delay and implement different kinds of filters to affect phase and other stuff that doesn’t matter in the Rivian because we can’t change it.

Changing the audio source (e.g., to in-built Tidal instead of Bluetooth) made a significant difference in overall quality, but that had to do with higher resolution than with getting closer to the source material’s frequency balance. An improperly EQ’d system impairs high-quality sources the same as low-quality sources, making it the main limiting factor of the R1S’s audio performance.

I learned a few useful things from taking measurements:
  • The EQ’s scale is 10 dB. Each notch represents +/- 1 dB of gain or attenuation.
  • The EQ is (obviously) graphic, which means it lets you change the amount of boost/cut but not the frequency being boosted or cut. The frequencies are fixed. That is typical but also rather disappointing for reasons I’ll show later. I hope they change it to a parametric EQ in a firmware update to allow us to choose the frequencies being boosted or cut.
  • Subjective listening via Bluetooth is highly misleading in the R1S. It sounds awful compared to in-built Tidal. Bluetooth makes high hats and voices highly sibilant and phasey because it’s highly lossy (e.g., discards a ton of high-frequency information). I don’t know what codec Bluetooth was using but it didn’t sound like aptX to me. I couldn’t use songs played back from my laptop via Bluetooth in my subjective listening tests because it didn’t represent what the system could do at all. Since I made my reference measurement via Bluetooth—and made EQ correction decisions from that Bluetooth measurement—I had to tweak those EQ settings “by ear” when I switched to the built-in Tidal player. But it worked out.
Let’s get to how to improve things.

Results and How to Interpret a Frequency Response Graph

Here is the reference measurement with markup highlighting problem areas.

1707423462309.png


The graph shows frequency (x-axis) plotted against dB or volume (y-axis). In an ideal world, the graph would show a smooth line from 20 Hz to 20 kHz without big bumps and dips. The green line helps us visualize what that “ideal” frequency response might look like. It’s taken from Harman Audio’s research of people’s preferences. It isn’t ruler flat (zero slope) because people tend to prefer relatively more bass and relatively attenuated high frequencies. The closer a measurement is to a target curve like this one, the more balanced and clear the system will sound.

As you can see, my R1S measured pretty far off from the target curve.

My Rivian R1S’s main problems are:
  1. A huge 10 dB bump in bass between 20 Hz and 250 Hz beyond what people already tend to prefer, which is about 6 dB of bass boost from ruler flat. I love bass more than the next guy (see the above description of my home system’s bass output) but boosting bass this much masks adjacent frequencies, making music sound muddy and boomy. Low frequencies hang around in the air longer than high frequencies. The more low frequencies are boosted, the longer they hang around until they reach a volume we can’t hear anymore, causing boominess and making nearby frequencies hard to distinguish from the bass.
  2. A big 15 dB dip between 150 Hz and 600 Hz. This reduces the weight of male voices and the power of drums and bass.
  3. A massive 20 dB difference between frequencies between 450 Hz and 2 kHz. Humans hear differences of 3 dB, which means this difference is very audible. I consider this to be the R1S’s biggest audio performance problem. I’ll explain why when I explain how I address it.
  4. A big 8 dB dip between 2 kHz and 10 kHz that significantly reduces the clarity of voices, the texture of stringed instruments, and the snap of percussion.
  5. A sharp bump at 16 kHz followed by a sharp roll-off after 16 kHz. The bump has a tendency to make S’s and things like cymbals sound sibilant. The roll-off eliminates the “air” in music, or what we mostly hear as reverberant tails of high-frequency sound (like cymbal hits decaying) bouncing around the room where the instrument was recorded. This isn’t as big of a deal as the other issues because signals at that frequency tend to be a lower volume than the noise floor of the vehicle cabin. and most of the people who can afford an R1S are old enough to have lost a lot of their hearing above 17 kHz. I attribute this sharp roll-off to Bluetooth data compression, but I don’t know for sure. I didn’t compare it to a sweep originating from the Tidal app.
How do we address these issues?

Unfortunately, we can only address some of them and only to a certain extent because the Rivian system doesn’t allow us to change the frequencies we boost and cut. We’re stuck with the frequencies they give us, which don’t correspond well to the problematic frequencies.

After experimenting with several EQ settings, here’s where I landed:
  1. To address the 10 dB bump in bass, I cut 63 Hz by 3 dB and 125 Hz by 2 dB. I tried larger cuts to get the response closer to the Harman curve, but I preferred cutting it less. I’m not sure why, but I think it’s because long bass waveforms don’t resonate in a small space like a vehicle cabin, resulting in less bass reinforcement from the room boundaries, resulting in faster attenuation and lower bass energy. Unlike higher-frequency waves, bass waves have to cycle several times for our brains to register them. To make them hang around longer in a smaller space so we can hear them, maybe we need to boost them more than we would in a larger home media room. But this is just a guess.
  2. To address the 15 dB dip between 150 Hz and 600 Hz, I boosted 500 Hz by 1 dB. You might think that is a small boost for such a big dip, but remember that I cut 63 Hz and 125 Hz by 3 and 2 dB, respectively, reducing the difference more. The name of the game is frequency balance. I tried boosting 500 Hz more than that, but voices got too chesty for my taste and it raised the big peak at 600 Hz, adding to the already problematic 450 Hz to 2 kHz area.
  3. To address the 20 dB difference between 450 Hz and 2 kHz, I compromised. I wasn’t able to get the result I wanted. The reason is that the R1S’s EQ bands are fixed at 500 Hz, 1 kHz, and 2 kHz, the ranges near this problem area. As you can see, 1 kHz is bang in the middle of the highest peak and the lowest trough in that range (grey vertical line). As a result, boosting 1 kHz increases 1 kHz and the frequencies immediately around it, but the 20 dB difference between them stays the same. I think the huge peak at 850 Hz created massive resonance and possible speaker cone breakup where the speaker cone can’t handle that much power and that frequency without changing shape. To deal with the 850 Hz resonance, I cut 1 kHz by 4 dB. That improved sound quality significantly. That leaves an even greater dip at 1 hKz than when I started, but that sounded better than the 850 Hz boost. This is a compromise because we can’t change the frequencies we apply boosts and cuts to. What explains this issue? I suspect the crossover was not designed properly. This region has major phase issues, which indicates poor crossover implementation.
  4. To address the dip between 2 kHz and 10 kHz, I boosted 2 kHz by 1 dB, 4 kHz by 1 dB, and cut 8 kHz by 1 dB. This helped vocal clarity, string texture, and percussion snap. I didn’t raise it higher because it started sounding unbalanced to me. Based on the reference measurement, it shouldn’t have, but it did.
  5. To address the 16 kHz bump, I cut 16 kHz by 2 dB. More than that, and it sounded dull. Something worth noting: I’ve seen others recommend a huge boost at 16 kHz. I suspect they were trying to compensate for the big roll-off after 16 kHz, which is likely caused by Bluetooth compression. I don’t recommend doing this because it’s like taking a picture in the dark and then cranking up its brightness; there’s no information to brighten. You just create noise.
Here's what my frequency response looked like after making those changes.

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Subjective listening notes:
  • 1 khz +5, 2 khz +5, 16 khz -5: Emerald Hooves. Better balanced than flat EQ. But lacks a little sparkle. May have something to do with very short decay times of small space, making me want to create space by adding air with high frequencies.
  • 1 khz +5, 2 khz +5, 16 kHz -2 dB is better. More air, but not as unbalanced as flat EQ.
  • 63 hz -5, 125 hz -5, 250 hz 0, 500 hz 0, 1 khz +10, 2 khz +3, 4 khz +5, 8 khz 0, 16 khz -2: Sounds terrible. Way too much 1 khz. Sounds extremely phasey.
  • 63 hz -3, 125 hz -3, 250 hz +3, 500 hz +3, 1 khz +2, 2 khz +1, 4 khz 0, 8 khz -1, 16 khz -2: The most pleasant so far. But imaging still mediocre. Playing around with 1 khz, something is very weird with that range. Boosted sounds awful, like there’s a phasing issue. Could be a crossover issue. The main issue is the huge 10 dB peak between 528 and 932 centered at 723 that you can’t get rid of.
  • 63 hz -3, 125 hz -2, 250 hz +1, 500 hz +1, 1 khz -4, 2 khz +1, 4 khz +1, 8 khz -1, 16 khz -2: Best subjective sound yet via Tidal. Increases vocal clarity because reduces muddiness from masking affect of mid range bump that can’t be eliminated. Phase in REW between 300 hz-2 khz is all messed up.
Regardless of whether you like the sound of my settings, I hope you found this interesting and have a better understanding of how the R1S’s sound system behaves and where its issues are.

Btw, I don’t know how these settings would work in an R1T because the R1T’s cabin volume is much less than the R1S. You can try them, though.

If you try my settings, let me know how they sound to you!

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Additional Notes

- I would love Rivian to provide us with a parametric EQ via OTA. It would help us make much more targeted adjustments.
- I wonder if the apparent crossover issue around 1 kHz results from Rivian switching out the Meridian speakers with Elevation speakers and forgetting to modify the crossover. If the crossover is digital (e.g., the system is fully active), the issue could be fixed OTA, which would be amazing.


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Awesome, thanks OP.

This really highlights the need to be able to save custom equalizer settings.
 

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I love learning from people that put that amount of effort and intelligence into their passions. Thank you for doing this and sharing so that we all benefit. I'll be using these shortly!
Let me know how it sounds!
 

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I’ve heard that Bluetooth streaming is louder than the in system stuff. Why no Bluetooth?
 

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TLDR;
  1. Flatten your EQ by using the “Default” setting or the reset icon.
  2. Use these EQ settings: 63 hz -3 notches, 125 hz -2, 250 hz +1, 500 hz +1, 1 khz -4, 2 khz +1, 4 khz +1, 8 khz -1, 16 khz -2.
  3. Use Tidal or Spotify in high quality playback mode. Avoid Bluetooth for music playback.
  4. Enjoy better listening.
I arrived at these settings after taking 18 acoustic measurements and analyzing their results. To learn more about what I did and how I arrived at those settings, read on.

11E517FA-F12B-4BE5-8282-4CD2EEDA3AC8_1_102_o.jpeg


Why I Measured My R1S’s Audio Performance

Rivian sold the R1S/T’s sound system as a major feature. As a former audio engineer who worked on a few indie albums and short movies--and as a hi-fi enthusiast—I considered the Meridian system a significant selling point. I wanted to measure its performance when I got my vehicle to be impressed and feel good about my purchase. When Rivian switched the Meridian system to an in-house system and claimed that testers preferred it to the Meridian, I got annoyed and wanted to test it even more. My R1S has the Rivian Audio/non-Meridian system.

When I took delivery of my R1S in August 2023, I was enthralled by the vehicle but not by its sound system. That said, it wasn’t wholly disappointing, either. I haven’t owned a vehicle with a better sound system than the R1S, but I certainly had vehicles with much worse systems (looking at you, Lexus, and Honda).

If my prior vehicles sounded no better than the R1S, what’s my reference point?

My home theater setup. It comprises relatively high-end gear carefully calibrated in an acoustically treated room. I paid several acousticians to help me solve specific acoustic problems (speaker bounder interference response effects, etc.), including the well-known acoustician Matthew Poes of Audioholics fame. To give you an idea of my system’s performance, dual 15” ported subwoofers generate bass with a depth and volume that approaches the electronica concerts I attend—the kind that affects your equilibrium. (For those who know what this means, my -3 dB point is 16.2 Hz.) The stereo image it creates borders on holographic; if you close your eyes, you can “see” the bassist standing to the left of the singer. This system isn’t perfect (it has relatively high RT60 decay times, and the subwoofers can bottom out at high sound pressure levels), but I tell you all this so you know I come at my Rivian tests with somewhat educated ears.

All right, enough setup. Let’s get into the tests and results.

Objectives, Methodology, Tests, and Results

Objectives

  1. Understand the R1S audio system’s faults.
  2. Understand the system’s behavior.
  3. Determine what—if anything—I could do to improve its performance.
Methodology
  • Flattened the EQ using the Default setting.
  • Turned off 3D Surround Sound and Dynamic Sound Adjustment.
  • Turned off climate control to reduce in-cabin noise as much as possible.
  • Parked in a closed garage to reduce external noise as much as possible.
  • Put a calibrated UMIK-1 microphone roughly where my ears would be in the driver’s seat.
  • Connected my MacBook Pro to the Rivian Audio system via Bluetooth. This connection method had meaningful downsides—namely data and resolution loss- but Rivian Support told me they didn’t know of another way to make the vehicle a target audio device. USB didn’t work. It was the best I could do at the time.
  • Set the Rivian’s volume to 16 to give me 75 dB of pink noise, C-weighted, generated by Room EQ Wizard (the industry standard acoustic measurement app). 75 dB is a typical level for performing measurements.
6DEDA574-7C1E-42B6-8D7B-D9B519317668_1_102_o.jpeg


9EBFAF6C-AF1C-4143-AF16-292D3273B2BA_1_102_o.jpeg


Tests and a Short Lesson in Room (Cabin) Acoustics

I ran 18 sweeps from 0-20,000 Hz through the Left and Right device inputs. A sweep is an audio signal sent to the sound system that sweeps across a given frequency range at a uniform volume. The recording microphone picks up what comes out of the speakers and what the room—the cabin, in this case—does to the sound.

Ideally, the microphone records uniform volume across the given frequency range so that we hear the musician’s recording as it was mixed. Mixing engineers decide the right balance between the kick drum, snare, bass guitar, and voice, which all occupy different frequency ranges. However, the world is messy, and we never hear what the engineer intended.

Here’s why.

The space sound bounces around contributes approximately 50% of what you hear in a typical home theater. As sound waves, like water waves, bounce off boundaries, they reflect and interfere with other waves—think of the surface of a pool after a kid cannonballs into it. We hear bounced waves like we hear waves coming directly from speakers, except that bounced waves are time-delayed (because they cover a greater distance to your ears) and frequency-skewed because the materials they bounce off of absorb and reflect different frequencies of sound with different strengths. Think how clapping inside a tile/glass room sounds vs. a carpeted closet filled with clothes. Same clap, different surfaces reflecting that clap.

Given the dimensions of the space and the location of the listener, waves at different frequencies constructively or destructively interfere with each other (remember physics class?) at that listening location, meaning the room acts like an EQ on your music, boosting and cutting frequencies. When a peak meets a peak, the volume of that frequency increases. When a peak meets a trough, they cancel at that frequency.

Unfortunately, the room is an equalizer whose settings you can’t change unless you move your listening position (hard to do as the driver), change the cabin’s dimensions and material composition (hard to do unless you’re Rivian), move the speakers (also hard to do unless you’re Rivian), or remove the cabin’s walls, roof, and floor altogether, allowing the speakers to play in free air (hard to do and pass NHTSA safety regulations). Moreover, smaller rooms bounce waves back sooner and with more energy (i.e., volume) than larger spaces because waves travel a shorter distance and lose less energy to friction and propagation. Remember, sound waves propagate in all 3 dimensions, losing power as the inverse square of distance. I’m not a car audio engineer, but I suspect a car cabin dictates more than 50% of what you hear because of how small it is.

Got all that?

Good.

I used the first sweep as a reference to see outstanding acoustic issues and set a baseline for the effects of the EQ changes I made. I only changed EQ because I had no other tools at my disposal. In home theater systems, you can change delay and implement different kinds of filters to affect phase and other stuff that doesn’t matter in the Rivian because we can’t change it.

Changing the audio source (e.g., to in-built Tidal instead of Bluetooth) made a significant difference in overall quality, but that had to do with higher resolution than with getting closer to the source material’s frequency balance. An improperly EQ’d system impairs high-quality sources the same as low-quality sources, making it the main limiting factor of the R1S’s audio performance.

I learned a few useful things from taking measurements:
  • The EQ’s scale is 10 dB. Each notch represents +/- 1 dB of gain or attenuation.
  • The EQ is (obviously) graphic, which means it lets you change the amount of boost/cut but not the frequency being boosted or cut. The frequencies are fixed. That is typical but also rather disappointing for reasons I’ll show later. I hope they change it to a parametric EQ in a firmware update to allow us to choose the frequencies being boosted or cut.
  • Subjective listening via Bluetooth is highly misleading in the R1S. It sounds awful compared to in-built Tidal. Bluetooth makes high hats and voices highly sibilant and phasey because it’s highly lossy (e.g., discards a ton of high-frequency information). I don’t know what codec Bluetooth was using but it didn’t sound like aptX to me. I couldn’t use songs played back from my laptop via Bluetooth in my subjective listening tests because it didn’t represent what the system could do at all. Since I made my reference measurement via Bluetooth—and made EQ correction decisions from that Bluetooth measurement—I had to tweak those EQ settings “by ear” when I switched to the built-in Tidal player. But it worked out.
Let’s get to how to improve things.

Results and How to Interpret a Frequency Response Graph

Here is the reference measurement with markup highlighting problem areas.

1707423462309.png


The graph shows frequency (x-axis) plotted against dB or volume (y-axis). In an ideal world, the graph would show a smooth line from 20 Hz to 20 kHz without big bumps and dips. The green line helps us visualize what that “ideal” frequency response might look like. It’s taken from Harman Audio’s research of people’s preferences. It isn’t ruler flat (zero slope) because people tend to prefer relatively more bass and relatively attenuated high frequencies. The closer a measurement is to a target curve like this one, the more balanced and clear the system will sound.

As you can see, my R1S measured pretty far off from the target curve.

My Rivian R1S’s main problems are:
  1. A huge 10 dB bump in bass between 20 Hz and 250 Hz beyond what people already tend to prefer, which is about 6 dB of bass boost from ruler flat. I love bass more than the next guy (see the above description of my home system’s bass output) but boosting bass this much masks adjacent frequencies, making music sound muddy and boomy. Low frequencies hang around in the air longer than high frequencies. The more low frequencies are boosted, the longer they hang around until they reach a volume we can’t hear anymore, causing boominess and making nearby frequencies hard to distinguish from the bass.
  2. A big 15 dB dip between 150 Hz and 600 Hz. This reduces the weight of male voices and the power of drums and bass.
  3. A massive 20 dB difference between frequencies between 450 Hz and 2 kHz. Humans hear differences of 3 dB, which means this difference is very audible. I consider this to be the R1S’s biggest audio performance problem. I’ll explain why when I explain how I address it.
  4. A big 8 dB dip between 2 kHz and 10 kHz that significantly reduces the clarity of voices, the texture of stringed instruments, and the snap of percussion.
  5. A sharp bump at 16 kHz followed by a sharp roll-off after 16 kHz. The bump has a tendency to make S’s and things like cymbals sound sibilant. The roll-off eliminates the “air” in music, or what we mostly hear as reverberant tails of high-frequency sound (like cymbal hits decaying) bouncing around the room where the instrument was recorded. This isn’t as big of a deal as the other issues because signals at that frequency tend to be a lower volume than the noise floor of the vehicle cabin. and most of the people who can afford an R1S are old enough to have lost a lot of their hearing above 17 kHz. I attribute this sharp roll-off to Bluetooth data compression, but I don’t know for sure. I didn’t compare it to a sweep originating from the Tidal app.
How do we address these issues?

Unfortunately, we can only address some of them and only to a certain extent because the Rivian system doesn’t allow us to change the frequencies we boost and cut. We’re stuck with the frequencies they give us, which don’t correspond well to the problematic frequencies.

After experimenting with several EQ settings, here’s where I landed:
  1. To address the 10 dB bump in bass, I cut 63 Hz by 3 dB and 125 Hz by 2 dB. I tried larger cuts to get the response closer to the Harman curve, but I preferred cutting it less. I’m not sure why, but I think it’s because long bass waveforms don’t resonate in a small space like a vehicle cabin, resulting in less bass reinforcement from the room boundaries, resulting in faster attenuation and lower bass energy. Unlike higher-frequency waves, bass waves have to cycle several times for our brains to register them. To make them hang around longer in a smaller space so we can hear them, maybe we need to boost them more than we would in a larger home media room. But this is just a guess.
  2. To address the 15 dB dip between 150 Hz and 600 Hz, I boosted 500 Hz by 1 dB. You might think that is a small boost for such a big dip, but remember that I cut 63 Hz and 125 Hz by 3 and 2 dB, respectively, reducing the difference more. The name of the game is frequency balance. I tried boosting 500 Hz more than that, but voices got too chesty for my taste and it raised the big peak at 600 Hz, adding to the already problematic 450 Hz to 2 kHz area.
  3. To address the 20 dB difference between 450 Hz and 2 kHz, I compromised. I wasn’t able to get the result I wanted. The reason is that the R1S’s EQ bands are fixed at 500 Hz, 1 kHz, and 2 kHz, the ranges near this problem area. As you can see, 1 kHz is bang in the middle of the highest peak and the lowest trough in that range (grey vertical line). As a result, boosting 1 kHz increases 1 kHz and the frequencies immediately around it, but the 20 dB difference between them stays the same. I think the huge peak at 850 Hz created massive resonance and possible speaker cone breakup where the speaker cone can’t handle that much power and that frequency without changing shape. To deal with the 850 Hz resonance, I cut 1 kHz by 4 dB. That improved sound quality significantly. That leaves an even greater dip at 1 hKz than when I started, but that sounded better than the 850 Hz boost. This is a compromise because we can’t change the frequencies we apply boosts and cuts to. What explains this issue? I suspect the crossover was not designed properly. This region has major phase issues, which indicates poor crossover implementation.
  4. To address the dip between 2 kHz and 10 kHz, I boosted 2 kHz by 1 dB, 4 kHz by 1 dB, and cut 8 kHz by 1 dB. This helped vocal clarity, string texture, and percussion snap. I didn’t raise it higher because it started sounding unbalanced to me. Based on the reference measurement, it shouldn’t have, but it did.
  5. To address the 16 kHz bump, I cut 16 kHz by 2 dB. More than that, and it sounded dull. Something worth noting: I’ve seen others recommend a huge boost at 16 kHz. I suspect they were trying to compensate for the big roll-off after 16 kHz, which is likely caused by Bluetooth compression. I don’t recommend doing this because it’s like taking a picture in the dark and then cranking up its brightness; there’s no information to brighten. You just create noise.
Here's what my frequency response looked like after making those changes.

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Subjective listening notes:
  • 1 khz +5, 2 khz +5, 16 khz -5: Emerald Hooves. Better balanced than flat EQ. But lacks a little sparkle. May have something to do with very short decay times of small space, making me want to create space by adding air with high frequencies.
  • 1 khz +5, 2 khz +5, 16 kHz -2 dB is better. More air, but not as unbalanced as flat EQ.
  • 63 hz -5, 125 hz -5, 250 hz 0, 500 hz 0, 1 khz +10, 2 khz +3, 4 khz +5, 8 khz 0, 16 khz -2: Sounds terrible. Way too much 1 khz. Sounds extremely phasey.
  • 63 hz -3, 125 hz -3, 250 hz +3, 500 hz +3, 1 khz +2, 2 khz +1, 4 khz 0, 8 khz -1, 16 khz -2: The most pleasant so far. But imaging still mediocre. Playing around with 1 khz, something is very weird with that range. Boosted sounds awful, like there’s a phasing issue. Could be a crossover issue. The main issue is the huge 10 dB peak between 528 and 932 centered at 723 that you can’t get rid of.
  • 63 hz -3, 125 hz -2, 250 hz +1, 500 hz +1, 1 khz -4, 2 khz +1, 4 khz +1, 8 khz -1, 16 khz -2: Best subjective sound yet via Tidal. Increases vocal clarity because reduces muddiness from masking affect of mid range bump that can’t be eliminated. Phase in REW between 300 hz-2 khz is all messed up.
Regardless of whether you like the sound of my settings, I hope you found this interesting and have a better understanding of how the R1S’s sound system behaves and where its issues are.

Btw, I don’t know how these settings would work in an R1T because the R1T’s cabin volume is much less than the R1S. You can try them, though.

If you try my settings, let me know how they sound to you!

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Additional Notes

- I would love Rivian to provide us with a parametric EQ via OTA. It would help us make much more targeted adjustments.
- I wonder if the apparent crossover issue around 1 kHz results from Rivian switching out the Meridian speakers with Elevation speakers and forgetting to modify the crossover. If the crossover is digital (e.g., the system is fully active), the issue could be fixed OTA, which would be amazing.


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Oh wow thanks for your detailed work on this. My ears aren’t what they used to be and I need all the help I can get. Much appreciated.
 
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I’ve heard that Bluetooth streaming is louder than the in system stuff. Why no Bluetooth?
It could be louder. Bluetooth reduces data and therefore resolution by a lot. BT is fine if you can only play your source with BT, but if it’s available though the built-in apps, I’d recommend using them.
 

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I did just go and try this - listening to a song before and after to compare the difference.. We all have different preferences with our music, and when I first put in the settings, I honestly didn't think it sounded good as how I had my equalizer previously. Then I noticed that you'd turned off both the 3D sound, and the dynamic adjustment. When I copied that, it sounded improved (than it had with them). So I'll give this a go. thanks !
 

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I did just go and try this - listening to a song before and after to compare the difference.. We all have different preferences with our music, and when I first put in the settings, I honestly didn't think it sounded good as how I had my equalizer previously. Then I noticed that you'd turned off both the 3D sound, and the dynamic adjustment. When I copied that, it sounded improved (than it had with them). So I'll give this a go. thanks !
Remember it's simulated surround sound. Not digitally encoded like Dolby DTS or Atmos. I've not heard a single simulated surround system, mobile or home audio, that doesn't make music sound hollow. If you're a music snob, don't use it. Just because the speakers and feature is there, doesn't mean you have to use it to get better sound. Less is often more.
 
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I did just go and try this - listening to a song before and after to compare the difference.. We all have different preferences with our music, and when I first put in the settings, I honestly didn't think it sounded good as how I had my equalizer previously. Then I noticed that you'd turned off both the 3D sound, and the dynamic adjustment. When I copied that, it sounded improved (than it had with them). So I'll give this a go. thanks !
Thanks for the feedback!

Yeah, I noticed that 3D Surround Sound really boosts the high end (I'd guess 6 kHz and up) to simulate a spacious sound field, but boosts it way too much, IMO, and doesn't seem to do it as intelligently as Dolby Surround, which uses stereo information to decide what to send to what speaker.

One thing to try is to listen to a song you know well at both very low volume and at higher-than-average volume and see how well the instruments remain balanced. If they remain relatively balanced, that's a good indicator you're getting a good response.

Another tip is to listen to the new setting for a while to let your ears/brain adjust to it. What should happen is that you start to pick out sounds you weren’t able to hear very well before.
 
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TLDR;
  1. Flatten your EQ by using the “Default” setting or the reset icon.
  2. Use these EQ settings: 63 hz -3 notches, 125 hz -2, 250 hz +1, 500 hz +1, 1 khz -4, 2 khz +1, 4 khz +1, 8 khz -1, 16 khz -2.
  3. Use Tidal or Spotify in high quality playback mode. Avoid Bluetooth for music playback.
  4. Enjoy better listening.
I arrived at these settings after taking 18 acoustic measurements and analyzing their results. To learn more about what I did and how I arrived at those settings, read on.

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Why I Measured My R1S’s Audio Performance

Rivian sold the R1S/T’s sound system as a major feature. As a former audio engineer who worked on a few indie albums and short movies--and as a hi-fi enthusiast—I considered the Meridian system a significant selling point. I wanted to measure its performance when I got my vehicle to be impressed and feel good about my purchase. When Rivian switched the Meridian system to an in-house system and claimed that testers preferred it to the Meridian, I got annoyed and wanted to test it even more. My R1S has the Rivian Audio/non-Meridian system.

When I took delivery of my R1S in August 2023, I was enthralled by the vehicle but not by its sound system. That said, it wasn’t wholly disappointing, either. I haven’t owned a vehicle with a better sound system than the R1S, but I certainly had vehicles with much worse systems (looking at you, Lexus, and Honda).

If my prior vehicles sounded no better than the R1S, what’s my reference point?

My home theater setup. It comprises relatively high-end gear carefully calibrated in an acoustically treated room. I paid several acousticians to help me solve specific acoustic problems (speaker bounder interference response effects, etc.), including the well-known acoustician Matthew Poes of Audioholics fame. To give you an idea of my system’s performance, dual 15” ported subwoofers generate bass with a depth and volume that approaches the electronica concerts I attend—the kind that affects your equilibrium. (For those who know what this means, my -3 dB point is 16.2 Hz.) The stereo image it creates borders on holographic; if you close your eyes, you can “see” the bassist standing to the left of the singer. This system isn’t perfect (it has relatively high RT60 decay times, and the subwoofers can bottom out at high sound pressure levels), but I tell you all this so you know I come at my Rivian tests with somewhat educated ears.

All right, enough setup. Let’s get into the tests and results.

Objectives, Methodology, Tests, and Results

Objectives

  1. Understand the R1S audio system’s faults.
  2. Understand the system’s behavior.
  3. Determine what—if anything—I could do to improve its performance.
Methodology
  • Flattened the EQ using the Default setting.
  • Turned off 3D Surround Sound and Dynamic Sound Adjustment.
  • Turned off climate control to reduce in-cabin noise as much as possible.
  • Parked in a closed garage to reduce external noise as much as possible.
  • Put a calibrated UMIK-1 microphone roughly where my ears would be in the driver’s seat.
  • Connected my MacBook Pro to the Rivian Audio system via Bluetooth. This connection method had meaningful downsides—namely data and resolution loss- but Rivian Support told me they didn’t know of another way to make the vehicle a target audio device. USB didn’t work. It was the best I could do at the time.
  • Set the Rivian’s volume to 16 to give me 75 dB of pink noise, C-weighted, generated by Room EQ Wizard (the industry standard acoustic measurement app). 75 dB is a typical level for performing measurements.
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Tests and a Short Lesson in Room (Cabin) Acoustics

I ran 18 sweeps from 0-20,000 Hz through the Left and Right device inputs. A sweep is an audio signal sent to the sound system that sweeps across a given frequency range at a uniform volume. The recording microphone picks up what comes out of the speakers and what the room—the cabin, in this case—does to the sound.

Ideally, the microphone records uniform volume across the given frequency range so that we hear the musician’s recording as it was mixed. Mixing engineers decide the right balance between the kick drum, snare, bass guitar, and voice, which all occupy different frequency ranges. However, the world is messy, and we never hear what the engineer intended.

Here’s why.

The space sound bounces around contributes approximately 50% of what you hear in a typical home theater. As sound waves, like water waves, bounce off boundaries, they reflect and interfere with other waves—think of the surface of a pool after a kid cannonballs into it. We hear bounced waves like we hear waves coming directly from speakers, except that bounced waves are time-delayed (because they cover a greater distance to your ears) and frequency-skewed because the materials they bounce off of absorb and reflect different frequencies of sound with different strengths. Think how clapping inside a tile/glass room sounds vs. a carpeted closet filled with clothes. Same clap, different surfaces reflecting that clap.

Given the dimensions of the space and the location of the listener, waves at different frequencies constructively or destructively interfere with each other (remember physics class?) at that listening location, meaning the room acts like an EQ on your music, boosting and cutting frequencies. When a peak meets a peak, the volume of that frequency increases. When a peak meets a trough, they cancel at that frequency.

Unfortunately, the room is an equalizer whose settings you can’t change unless you move your listening position (hard to do as the driver), change the cabin’s dimensions and material composition (hard to do unless you’re Rivian), move the speakers (also hard to do unless you’re Rivian), or remove the cabin’s walls, roof, and floor altogether, allowing the speakers to play in free air (hard to do and pass NHTSA safety regulations). Moreover, smaller rooms bounce waves back sooner and with more energy (i.e., volume) than larger spaces because waves travel a shorter distance and lose less energy to friction and propagation. Remember, sound waves propagate in all 3 dimensions, losing power as the inverse square of distance. I’m not a car audio engineer, but I suspect a car cabin dictates more than 50% of what you hear because of how small it is.

Got all that?

Good.

I used the first sweep as a reference to see outstanding acoustic issues and set a baseline for the effects of the EQ changes I made. I only changed EQ because I had no other tools at my disposal. In home theater systems, you can change delay and implement different kinds of filters to affect phase and other stuff that doesn’t matter in the Rivian because we can’t change it.

Changing the audio source (e.g., to in-built Tidal instead of Bluetooth) made a significant difference in overall quality, but that had to do with higher resolution than with getting closer to the source material’s frequency balance. An improperly EQ’d system impairs high-quality sources the same as low-quality sources, making it the main limiting factor of the R1S’s audio performance.

I learned a few useful things from taking measurements:
  • The EQ’s scale is 10 dB. Each notch represents +/- 1 dB of gain or attenuation.
  • The EQ is (obviously) graphic, which means it lets you change the amount of boost/cut but not the frequency being boosted or cut. The frequencies are fixed. That is typical but also rather disappointing for reasons I’ll show later. I hope they change it to a parametric EQ in a firmware update to allow us to choose the frequencies being boosted or cut.
  • Subjective listening via Bluetooth is highly misleading in the R1S. It sounds awful compared to in-built Tidal. Bluetooth makes high hats and voices highly sibilant and phasey because it’s highly lossy (e.g., discards a ton of high-frequency information). I don’t know what codec Bluetooth was using but it didn’t sound like aptX to me. I couldn’t use songs played back from my laptop via Bluetooth in my subjective listening tests because it didn’t represent what the system could do at all. Since I made my reference measurement via Bluetooth—and made EQ correction decisions from that Bluetooth measurement—I had to tweak those EQ settings “by ear” when I switched to the built-in Tidal player. But it worked out.
Let’s get to how to improve things.

Results and How to Interpret a Frequency Response Graph

Here is the reference measurement with markup highlighting problem areas.

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The graph shows frequency (x-axis) plotted against dB or volume (y-axis). In an ideal world, the graph would show a smooth line from 20 Hz to 20 kHz without big bumps and dips. The green line helps us visualize what that “ideal” frequency response might look like. It’s taken from Harman Audio’s research of people’s preferences. It isn’t ruler flat (zero slope) because people tend to prefer relatively more bass and relatively attenuated high frequencies. The closer a measurement is to a target curve like this one, the more balanced and clear the system will sound.

As you can see, my R1S measured pretty far off from the target curve.

My Rivian R1S’s main problems are:
  1. A huge 10 dB bump in bass between 20 Hz and 250 Hz beyond what people already tend to prefer, which is about 6 dB of bass boost from ruler flat. I love bass more than the next guy (see the above description of my home system’s bass output) but boosting bass this much masks adjacent frequencies, making music sound muddy and boomy. Low frequencies hang around in the air longer than high frequencies. The more low frequencies are boosted, the longer they hang around until they reach a volume we can’t hear anymore, causing boominess and making nearby frequencies hard to distinguish from the bass.
  2. A big 15 dB dip between 150 Hz and 600 Hz. This reduces the weight of male voices and the power of drums and bass.
  3. A massive 20 dB difference between frequencies between 450 Hz and 2 kHz. Humans hear differences of 3 dB, which means this difference is very audible. I consider this to be the R1S’s biggest audio performance problem. I’ll explain why when I explain how I address it.
  4. A big 8 dB dip between 2 kHz and 10 kHz that significantly reduces the clarity of voices, the texture of stringed instruments, and the snap of percussion.
  5. A sharp bump at 16 kHz followed by a sharp roll-off after 16 kHz. The bump has a tendency to make S’s and things like cymbals sound sibilant. The roll-off eliminates the “air” in music, or what we mostly hear as reverberant tails of high-frequency sound (like cymbal hits decaying) bouncing around the room where the instrument was recorded. This isn’t as big of a deal as the other issues because signals at that frequency tend to be a lower volume than the noise floor of the vehicle cabin. and most of the people who can afford an R1S are old enough to have lost a lot of their hearing above 17 kHz. I attribute this sharp roll-off to Bluetooth data compression, but I don’t know for sure. I didn’t compare it to a sweep originating from the Tidal app.
How do we address these issues?

Unfortunately, we can only address some of them and only to a certain extent because the Rivian system doesn’t allow us to change the frequencies we boost and cut. We’re stuck with the frequencies they give us, which don’t correspond well to the problematic frequencies.

After experimenting with several EQ settings, here’s where I landed:
  1. To address the 10 dB bump in bass, I cut 63 Hz by 3 dB and 125 Hz by 2 dB. I tried larger cuts to get the response closer to the Harman curve, but I preferred cutting it less. I’m not sure why, but I think it’s because long bass waveforms don’t resonate in a small space like a vehicle cabin, resulting in less bass reinforcement from the room boundaries, resulting in faster attenuation and lower bass energy. Unlike higher-frequency waves, bass waves have to cycle several times for our brains to register them. To make them hang around longer in a smaller space so we can hear them, maybe we need to boost them more than we would in a larger home media room. But this is just a guess.
  2. To address the 15 dB dip between 150 Hz and 600 Hz, I boosted 500 Hz by 1 dB. You might think that is a small boost for such a big dip, but remember that I cut 63 Hz and 125 Hz by 3 and 2 dB, respectively, reducing the difference more. The name of the game is frequency balance. I tried boosting 500 Hz more than that, but voices got too chesty for my taste and it raised the big peak at 600 Hz, adding to the already problematic 450 Hz to 2 kHz area.
  3. To address the 20 dB difference between 450 Hz and 2 kHz, I compromised. I wasn’t able to get the result I wanted. The reason is that the R1S’s EQ bands are fixed at 500 Hz, 1 kHz, and 2 kHz, the ranges near this problem area. As you can see, 1 kHz is bang in the middle of the highest peak and the lowest trough in that range (grey vertical line). As a result, boosting 1 kHz increases 1 kHz and the frequencies immediately around it, but the 20 dB difference between them stays the same. I think the huge peak at 850 Hz created massive resonance and possible speaker cone breakup where the speaker cone can’t handle that much power and that frequency without changing shape. To deal with the 850 Hz resonance, I cut 1 kHz by 4 dB. That improved sound quality significantly. That leaves an even greater dip at 1 hKz than when I started, but that sounded better than the 850 Hz boost. This is a compromise because we can’t change the frequencies we apply boosts and cuts to. What explains this issue? I suspect the crossover was not designed properly. This region has major phase issues, which indicates poor crossover implementation.
  4. To address the dip between 2 kHz and 10 kHz, I boosted 2 kHz by 1 dB, 4 kHz by 1 dB, and cut 8 kHz by 1 dB. This helped vocal clarity, string texture, and percussion snap. I didn’t raise it higher because it started sounding unbalanced to me. Based on the reference measurement, it shouldn’t have, but it did.
  5. To address the 16 kHz bump, I cut 16 kHz by 2 dB. More than that, and it sounded dull. Something worth noting: I’ve seen others recommend a huge boost at 16 kHz. I suspect they were trying to compensate for the big roll-off after 16 kHz, which is likely caused by Bluetooth compression. I don’t recommend doing this because it’s like taking a picture in the dark and then cranking up its brightness; there’s no information to brighten. You just create noise.
Here's what my frequency response looked like after making those changes.

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Subjective listening notes:
  • 1 khz +5, 2 khz +5, 16 khz -5: Emerald Hooves. Better balanced than flat EQ. But lacks a little sparkle. May have something to do with very short decay times of small space, making me want to create space by adding air with high frequencies.
  • 1 khz +5, 2 khz +5, 16 kHz -2 dB is better. More air, but not as unbalanced as flat EQ.
  • 63 hz -5, 125 hz -5, 250 hz 0, 500 hz 0, 1 khz +10, 2 khz +3, 4 khz +5, 8 khz 0, 16 khz -2: Sounds terrible. Way too much 1 khz. Sounds extremely phasey.
  • 63 hz -3, 125 hz -3, 250 hz +3, 500 hz +3, 1 khz +2, 2 khz +1, 4 khz 0, 8 khz -1, 16 khz -2: The most pleasant so far. But imaging still mediocre. Playing around with 1 khz, something is very weird with that range. Boosted sounds awful, like there’s a phasing issue. Could be a crossover issue. The main issue is the huge 10 dB peak between 528 and 932 centered at 723 that you can’t get rid of.
  • 63 hz -3, 125 hz -2, 250 hz +1, 500 hz +1, 1 khz -4, 2 khz +1, 4 khz +1, 8 khz -1, 16 khz -2: Best subjective sound yet via Tidal. Increases vocal clarity because reduces muddiness from masking affect of mid range bump that can’t be eliminated. Phase in REW between 300 hz-2 khz is all messed up.
Regardless of whether you like the sound of my settings, I hope you found this interesting and have a better understanding of how the R1S’s sound system behaves and where its issues are.

Btw, I don’t know how these settings would work in an R1T because the R1T’s cabin volume is much less than the R1S. You can try them, though.

If you try my settings, let me know how they sound to you!

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Additional Notes

- I would love Rivian to provide us with a parametric EQ via OTA. It would help us make much more targeted adjustments.
- I wonder if the apparent crossover issue around 1 kHz results from Rivian switching out the Meridian speakers with Elevation speakers and forgetting to modify the crossover. If the crossover is digital (e.g., the system is fully active), the issue could be fixed OTA, which would be amazing.


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Thank you. I cant wait to try it out this weekend.
 

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Holly! Thank you. I can't wait to try it.
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