Top Gear tests an improved / updated Cybertruck off-road (vs R1T they brought along)

[SeaGeo]

This is unacceptable from a luxury "adventure" vehicle. Such poor craftsmanship and QC doesn't speak well for the company's survival in the long-term. You can tell from the video of it bending that this was a normal, everyday usage and should never have failed like that:

Careful, your sarcasm may be missed..

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[Glembi2]

Like a blind man stabbing at a moving target. With no diff to "measure" the traction side-to-side, the computer flails at "testing" the traction and trying to "guess" what it is on.

It works OK for what most people use it for, but is hopelessly defeated as soon as any precision traction is required.

I completely agree that the DM is superior in off-camber uphill/downhill situations and a bunch of others.

I’m curious as to how the QM determines when to power each wheel and by how much.

 

[R.I.P.]

I completely agree that the DM is superior in off-camber uphill/downhill situations and a bunch of others.

I’m curious as to how the QM determines when to power each wheel and by how much.

The computer has to try to guess, thousands of times per second.

Other then trying to get more motors into play for power, there are few advantages to the system, and many disadvantages.

That is why it is going away in favor of the DM & Tri-motor; tri-motor only for those wanting maximum horsepower on high-traction surfaces.

 

[Glembi2]

I don’t mind the guessing as long as it is coming up with the right answers. It is those few times when we want it to pick the right answers but doesn’t that are the issue.

I would propose this all comes down to experience. With little to no experience, the difference between a tricky situation and a crash is narrow (and whatever the vehicle can do is not enough). But with more experience, you gain the knowledge of being able to discern when things are going south and can take appropriate actions. The vehicle doing some of the thinking increases the time between realizing things could be bad and you are past the point of no return.

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

That's an apartment.

In LA or NYC, yes.

 

[Nine_One_Six_R1S]

So from another article, I read the CT has enabled virtual lockers on the DM and TM drivetrains.

are these 100% virtual? software based? If so it's something that could potentially be enabled or our Quads?

or is there any physical connection on the CT motors?

 

[Dark-Fx]

So from another article, I read the CT has enabled virtual lockers on the DM and TM drivetrains.

are these 100% virtual? software based? If so it's something that could potentially be enabled or our Quads?

or is there any physical connection on the CT motors?

Cybertruck single motor per axle has a real hardware locker. The tri-motor has a real locker up front and a virtual in the back, just like the Hummer EV.

 

[R1Tom]

The computer has to try to guess, thousands of times per second.

Other then trying to get more motors into play for power, there are few advantages to the system, and many disadvantages.

That is why it is going away in favor of the DM & Tri-motor; tri-motor only for those wanting maximum horsepower on high-traction surfaces.

So I assume your take on MB going QM on the G-Wagon is that MB doesn't know what they are doing and will learn like Rivian did (assuming you are correct that that QM is actually going away....which I think is pure speculation, unless you have inside knowledge the QM is being discontinued. I am not saying it isnt, but I think if it is, it is more cost control than the few people who care as strongly as you do about off camber zero traction surfaces.)?

Honestly though and kidding aside...what are your thoughts on MB decision to QM the G-Wagon?

 

[Glembi2]

Ya know, when the video started, I expected one of the guys to say they were testing the CT off-road and were using the R1T as a support vehicle.

 

[R.I.P.]

Honestly though and kidding aside...what are your thoughts on MB decision to QM the G-Wagon?

My thoughts are that they will not be popular with true off-road enthusiasts. But then, that is not the market they are after.

 

[R.I.P.]

Cybertruck single motor per axle has a real hardware locker. The tri-motor has a real locker up front and a virtual in the back, just like the Hummer EV.

Correct.

I expect the "virtual locker" in the CT to be just as useless as the one in the Hummer. ?

 

[Glembi2]

So I assume your take on MB going QM on the G-Wagon is that MB doesn't know what they are doing and will learn like Rivian did (assuming you are correct that that QM is actually going away....which I think is pure speculation, unless you have inside knowledge the QM is being discontinued. I am not saying it isnt, but I think if it is, it is more cost control than the few people who care as strongly as you do about off camber zero traction surfaces.)?

I have to believe MB is putting out their QM to not be outdone by another company with a QM. MB already has one of the best off-road brand of vehicles ever. But it is not for the masses. It is not a question of power. It is the ladder frame at the core of the trucks. And maybe the locking diffs?

 

[HaveBlue]

That opening scene is the start of the Fischer Mountain trail I think. Here I'll post some way back pix from the 4Runner Jambo, now called KOH. In my estimation, the CT did better. Much better wheel speed control. Much less likely to damage drivetrain or tires but they both went up. Fischer is the access trail for the Hammers from the top and it's not a picnic for a stock vehicle. It gets hairy in spots that they didn't go to.

Here's the spot with the marbles. Trails change season to season.

No EVs in my version of the view.

They beat the hell out of those two trucks. I'm surprised no tie rods broke with as much air time as they had. Both impressive.

 

[Count Orlok]

Oh sir The Count— I just noticed you’ve had a grenadier delivered. LMK if you’re in NM and ever planning to bring it to Santa Fe cars and coffee— my son is OBSESSED with grenadiers and would love to see one IRL.

WILCO

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

I have to believe MB is putting out their QM to not be outdone by another company with a QM. MB already has one of the best off-road brand of vehicles ever. But it is not for the masses. It is not a question of power. It is the ladder frame at the core of the trucks. And maybe the locking diffs?

Not necessarily. I see MB's packaging decisions and can't help noticed they are maybe more positioning the BEV version to be softer and greener status symbol to their ICE'd G. Note, the spare tire is now a unnecessarily large housing for the mobile charger.

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