Out of Spec 10% Challenge of Gen2 R1T dual Max: Massively Negative!

[Hereforthesnacks]

You do not get 250kW. The peak charge rate under ideal conditions is less than 220kW. That's starting with an 80F battery at <10%. This isn't even true for max packs as the entire thread you're replying to is talking about. Did you even watch the video?

I do get that. It’s on my EV9. It’s awesome. Correct, not possible in R1S.

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[Electrified Outdoors]

I don't see how this is the issue. They can't even maximize the 400V architecture they currently have. 800V may result in a higher instantaneous peak at 10% SOC but it's still going to plummet immediately if you look at it wrong.

This article does a good job explaining the difference between 400v and 800v.

800v should be able to deliver twice the amount of power...but your right the battery and associated electronics need to be engineered in such a way that allow for maximum charge rates and efficient thermal management.

Audi/VW do have a partnership with to access 800v tech from Rimac (see article) so I wonder if Rivian could tap that knowledge/supply base through this new joint partnership? Lucid also has a proprietary system that uses even higher voltage.

Anyway, the new Silverado EV also uses 800v. The charger and the EV have to support and v3 Tesla superchargers don't support it. Max I could get on Silverado EV was 185kw @ Tesla using the official adapter. 20-80% took about 45 minutes under these conditions. Similarly, most shell recharge stations are 800v and the ones in the southeast that I have used charge the rivian at a max of 85kw when they are rated for 160kw.

The last note is that 800v is a more expensive system so if Rivian is aiming to remove cost the 800v system might be counter productive for them.

https://insideevs.com/features/710280/400-volt-800-volt-evs-explained/

 

[Supratachophobia]

Wow...Kyle just posted his 10% challenge test of a new Gen2 dual Max truck. Charge curve bad....driver assist didn't work....sound system horrible....heat pump noisy....build quality bad.... I've never heard Kyle struggle harder to find positive things to say.

Thumbs up for massively clickbait title!

 

[kenyee]

I think Kyle genuinely loves Rivian's but he's just trying to get them to do better.
Ditto the last Gen2 Out of Spec Detailing review. Paint getting rubbed off when opening a door isn't what I'd expect of a Gen2.

Hope Rivian takes this as constructive feedback.
I'm actually surprised I haven't seen Kyle complain about no heated headlights since he's in Colorado...

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

Thumbs up for massively clickbait title!

All the YouTubers are doing this now...most of them. I can't stand it and I refuse to engage in that. The worst offenders are the various "car market gurus" on YouTube. I have to admit they get an A+ for trying to create maximum impact though.

 

[Zorg]

Rivian's issue is the lack of cooling at the cell level. 800V wouldn't change the issue. Unfortunately, Rivian isn't going to redesign their battery pack as they're too busy developing R2 and R3. It will be like Tesla in 5 years where the R1 line will be an afterthought.

 

[Budman]

KOC is hyper focused on charging speeds. The degree to which he is hyperventilating on this issue is a bit overdone.

I have a gen 2 max pack now too. I put 25,000 miles a year on my R1T. The slower charging will impact me by less than 30 minutes per year I’m guessing.

For me, the longer range out of my garage is a worthwhile trade off.

 

[DayTripping]

Great vid and very helpful. Glad I went with a Gen1 large pack truck. Good to know this as I plan on road tripping it a lot.

 

[Blakejakely]

I do understand his feelings on this. Rivian hyped up the new cooling for a more consistent charging curve and its largely fallen short. Also the large pack is now largely moot since the extra range doesn't add a ton when it charges slower. That and the competition is getting fierce; at this point I'd buy a Silverado EV with its faster and more consistent charge speeds, or an EV9 with its 800v architecture. Rivian still has its niche for off roading, but their market is getting pretty rough for $90k vehicles that are starting to fall behind competition. All that said, I still love my gen1 R1S, but the criticisms are needed.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

KOC is hyper focused on charging speeds. The degree to which he is hyperventilating on this issue is a bit overdone.

I have a gen 2 max pack now too. I put 25,000 miles a year on my R1T. The slower charging will impact me by less than 30 minutes per year I’m guessing.

For me, the longer range out of my garage is a worthwhile trade off.

I have to agree I don't think its that big a deal right now. Most of the charging infrastructure is designed for 400v right now. If I were Rivian and I was trying to control costs I would stick with 400v probably too given that you can't take advantage 100% of the time and then when you can't take advantage of the 800v the charging speed is less than it would be on 400v. That's been my experience.

I would want to see 800v though specifically because it kind of future proofs the truck and when you can take advantage its really nice to get that extra fast charging speed.

 

[ja_kub_sz]

My G² R1T³ is a little buggy... Which my G¹ wasn't, but fundamentally the truck DRIVES WAY BETTER. What other standard could you use to judge a vehicle above how it drives? And as far as EV's go, it also has BETTER RANGE then my G¹ did. So again the two biggest standards at which you judge a EV by and the G² is objectively better.

G² is a better vehicle, hands down, but it absolutely isn't better across the board which is what most will take issue with.

I've owned a fair number of vehicles and I have always looked for my next vehicle to be better in every way then my last. The G² however is not. It absolutely is better than the G¹, but anyone who's going from a G¹ to a G² who is expecting to make zero compromises will be profoundly disappointed.

And if Kyle doesn't get that (he doesn't) well then hey there you have it. He doesn't like the G².

I however do like my G² an incredible amount, but knowing now what I do about the vehicle would I have purchased it again versus my alternative choice of the Hummer EV SUT?... Now to that I'd probably say "no". But I'd have spent another 30k to get it Hummer, and to that I'd say for 105k the Rivian G² R1T³ EV is absolutely the best vehicle I could've purchased.

Also doing this video on a Tesla charger I feel is a blatant conflict of interest. This video would hold more credibility if it were a 3rd party charger and I honestly feel it would've yielded different results.

 

[ndmiller]

Take away his early access to software updates for his monetized videos and let's see how much more he complains.

 

[AllInev]

Rivian's issue is the lack of cooling at the cell level. 800V wouldn't change the issue. Unfortunately, Rivian isn't going to redesign their battery pack as they're too busy developing R2 and R3. It will be like Tesla in 5 years where the R1 line will be an afterthought.

I generally agree. R1 just needs to get Rivian to the higher volume and profit generating R2 and R3 models. After that, the R1 and off-roading vehicles will be just a niche market for Rivian. My guess is that Rivian will leave the small EV off-roading market to the brands like Scout.

 

[DB88]

Very interesting video. Everybody is commenting on the charging speeds but I would love to hear more from anyone that has switched from a Gen 1 quad R1T and now has a Gen 2 Dual large... I have a Gen 2 Dual large on order and now debating id I should be getting rid of my Gen 1... Don't really care about the charging speed as I mostly charge at home. But some of the things that concern me from his video are.

-Dual motor making loud banging noise when it switches to front wheel drive
- loud noise outside from the AC compressor
- He mentions how bad the stereo is... Some say there same and others say its good. ( I have the Meridian in my gen 1

I always take these YouTube videos with a grain if salt,... but the more I research about the Gen 2 has me questioning my Gen 2 reservation and getting rid of my Gen 1.

Cheers

 

[DayTripping]

Go for a long test drive. See if you see the same things they did.

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