Out of Spec 10% Challenge of Gen2 R1T dual Max: Massively Negative!

[mitochondria]

I wonder how many people canceled their Gen2 orders after this video? The comments on Kyle’s video are full of people saying they’re backing out and sticking with Gen1.

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[ElGuano]

I wonder how many people canceled their Gen2 orders after this video? The comments on Kyle’s video are full of people saying they’re backing out and sticking with Gen1.

Meh. I take his video at face value, but it's simply not an important use case for me, at all. I'm still eagerly awaiting my Gen2.

 

[beyond]

The biggest issue with video "reviews" like these.... Is that they never go back and edit / fix them as changes occur. For example the b*tching about the audio, evidently the latest release helped it a ton...

Personally, I'm going to hold on to my Gen1 R1T all the way up until the warranty runs out... Hoping that by then they've gotten the Gen2's / Gen3's fixed up.

 

[SANZC02]

I don't understand the controversy.

I'm amazed at how many here can't seem to take ANY criticism about the R1T. Objectively, it doesn't charge fast because the battery overheats. To many, that doesn't appear to matter. Ok. Fine. What's wrong with Kyle pointing that out? It isn't like he's making it up. DC fast charging speed might be important to some when making a purchasing decision, especially considering some competing vehicles charge MUCH faster. I don't know why we can't hear this without attacking Kyle and his motives.

We are upset he "cut the line" when getting his R1T? First, we don't know how he got it and he may have been a day one reservation holder. But, even if he wasn't, it obviously behooves Rivian to get their vehicles into the hands of someone who has millions of followers. I know I watched his videos when he first got the R1T because I wanted to know more about it. He created a ton of content, going over everything about his R1T and that was obviously more valuable to Rivian than making sure that truck went to the next person in line if, in fact, Kyle "cut the line."

If you've watched his videos over the years, you'd know he loves his Rivian but he's frequently complained about the poor charging speeds. This video wasn't created to stir up controversy, he's just frustrated that they did a "Gen 2" and didn't address what is, in his mind, the biggest shortcoming of the vehicle. If you aren't DC fast charging all the time, the 10% road trip challenge isn't for you. If you ARE DC fast charging all the time, videos like this help you make an informed purchasing decision.

I chose to buy my R1S armed with this knowledge and I would never, for a minute, want him to stop making this content because he speaks poorly (in some aspects) of the vehicle I might own.

It is ok to criticize but to put so much importance on charging speed to me is off base. Most people are not taking trips every week with multiple charging stops where the charge speed would even impact their use cases.

I’ve had my G1/Large/quad R1S on a 5500 mile and 7400 mile trip. Most of my charge stops are under 30 minutes. By the time I stretch my legs, do a potty break, maybe grab a cup of coffee, and scope out my next leg of the trip there was not a lot if any waiting time for the charger.

It is similar in my opinion of people talking about range, in my opinion most people are not even close to needing the range they currently have. Sure there are outliers that need to go a couple hundred miles a day or more but that is not the typical use. I have an older Tesla Model S that gives me 170 miles at 80%. It is a 2016 with a charge speed that maxes for a brief period (read couple of minutes best case scenario) at 120 kWh I had no problem taking that on a 6500 mile trip last January, again with most stops under 30 minutes.

 

[iamnid]

It is ok to criticize but to put so much importance on charging speed to me is off base. Most people are not taking trips every week with multiple charging stops where the charge speed would even impact their use cases.

Charging speed is literally the point of the 10% challenge. It's what this video was testing. This wasn't a review of Gen 2 R1T. He has other videos for that.

I do a couple road trips a year so it isn't that important to me either BUT that's literally what he's testing in this video.

 

[ukyank]

Charging speed is literally the point of the 10% challenge. It's what this video was testing. This wasn't a review of Gen 2 R1T. He has other videos for that.

I do a couple road trips a year so it isn't that important to me either BUT that's literally what he's testing in this video.

Yea, so weird that people are attacking the video. Charging speed & range are indeed important to some people (& probably even more so for those who pony up for the max pack). He’s doing a simple test that is repeatable across EVs & reporting the results. Nothing more nothing less - just because one doesn’t like the results doesn’t make the video some type of fraud.

His other critiques are things literally happening while filming, so again just reporting what’s occurring.

 

[Milk]

Yea, so weird that people are attacking the video. Charging speed & range are indeed important to some people (& probably even more so for those who pony up for the max pack). He’s doing a simple test that is repeatable across EVs & reporting the results. Nothing more nothing less - just because one doesn’t like the results doesn’t make the video some type of fraud.

His other critiques are things literally happening while filming, so again just reporting what’s occurring.

I think his reviews like this are mostly only relevant to people who drive long distances and sometimes hauling stuff. He lives in Colorado. I live in Idaho and drive all over Idaho, Montana, Utah, Washington, Oregon, Nevada so his reviews are relevant to me. Attacking him because he's an influencer failing to disclose everything perfectly is nothing more than a red herring.

 

[patyoung]

I’d certainly like to see better charging performance, but one big thing he is ignoring on the comparison between max pack vs standard/large is having to potentially add extra charging stops. Even if you have to spend 10-20 minutes longer if that allows you to make one less stop you are ahead of the game. Just getting off the highway, starting a charge session, and then getting back can sometimes take a significant amount of time. I’d rather one 40 min charge than two 15 charges. That’s not even including how much further you can go before that first stop.

Still a bit disappointing that it can’t charge above 200kw and hold that until at least 50-60%.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I think his reviews like this are mostly only relevant to people who drive long distances and sometimes hauling stuff. He lives in Colorado. I live in Idaho and drive all over Idaho, Montana, Utah, Washington, Oregon, Nevada so his reviews are relevant to me. Attacking him because he's an influencer failing to disclose everything perfectly is nothing more than a red herring.

I disagree with the red herring as calling his credibility into question has direct relevance to these videos. If he got preferential treatment before, and had glowing reviews on gen 1, who’s to say he didn’t ask for a hookup on a gen 2 and was denied so is now grinding an axe?

We know kickbacks were involved before so it’s not out of the realm to wonder if there’s relevance now.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I’d certainly like to see better charging performance, but one big thing he is ignoring on the comparison between max pack vs standard/large is having to potentially add extra charging stops. Even if you have to spend 10-20 minutes longer if that allows you to make one less stop you are ahead of the game. Just getting off the highway, starting a charge session, and then getting back can sometimes take a significant amount of time. I’d rather one 40 min charge than two 15 charges. That’s not even including how much further you can go before that first stop.

Still a bit disappointing that it can’t charge above 200kw and hold that until at least 50-60%.

The saving a charge stop is a big deal, as is the potential to stay more in the sweet spot of the pack while at a charge stop. At 70% the charge speed drops off a decent amount, at 80 it starts to crawl. If the max pack allows you to charge to 65% instead of 70 to make the next charger with a buffer you save a decent amount of time.

On my road trip this past week I did a lot of charging to a percentage in the 60’s and a couple legs were further. If I would have had the max pack instead of the gen 1 it might have shortened up those higher charges.

 

[HaveBlue]

The CT charges 7 minutes faster on an 800v station 35min vs 42min for a 400v station. Not life changing

 

[Count Orlok]

who?

 

[SurfnBike]

I got my Gen2 back at the beginning of august and said ALL of these things and everyone on this board gave me crap for it I had to bring my brand new vehicle back to the service center immediately after taking delivery and they never fixed the car's problems. Rivian has been going downhill!

 

[Milk]

I disagree with the red herring as calling his credibility into question has direct relevance to these videos. If he got preferential treatment before, and had glowing reviews on gen 1, who’s to say he didn’t ask for a hookup on a gen 2 and was denied so is now grinding an axe?

We know kickbacks were involved before so it’s not out of the realm to wonder if there’s relevance now.

You can disagree with the assertion, but it's a red herring when one doesn't actually address the claims (in this case the video evidence that he presents) but rather tries to disparage his credibility. He may in fact be compromised, biased, and untrustworthy but addressing the video directly is a more effective way of making your points.

Thus far, the best point against the video has been 'it's not relevant to my type of driving.'

 

[sg3707]

You can disagree with the assertion, but it's a red herring when one doesn't actually address the claims (in this case the video evidence that he presents) but rather tries to disparage his credibility. He may in fact be compromised, biased, and untrustworthy but addressing the video directly is a more effective way of making your points.

Thus far, the best point against the video has been 'it's not relevant to my type of driving.'

It is so sad that you had to explain your point. Hopefully this forum does not become another forum for fanboys only praising all the time. It would be prudent to look at the data objectively.

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