Reminder: Rivian Promised Level 3 "Eyes Off the Road" Autonomy on Gen 1

[Donald Stanfield]

Neat.

But the entire point of this thread is talking about the unfulfilled promises made in this arena.

I’m aware. I too am talking about that, specifically about building a bridge and getting the fuck over it.

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[Ecupip]

Zero chance they are going eyes free in 2026

I didn’t know what to expect, and still don’t. But an article came out recently about Stellatis autonomy plans and their eyes off feature coming soon will only work in stop and go traffic under 35mph. I assume Rivian’s version will be similar.

 

[oskeei]

Just ordered my 3x, but maybe Rivian could just installed the harness to allow G1 owners to easily add something like comma.ai as good will? Just crazy idea.

 

[Riviot]

Pretty sure it's the same in Gen 1; latitudinal with MobileEye vs. longitudinal with in-house control.

Well, you sent me down the rabbit hole...

DMS cameras and ECUs stayed the same. The Assistance Secondary Module (ASM) ECU stayed the same too. Obviously the Forward Vision cameras changed, Gen2 states "100 HFOV", Gen1 just says Forward Vision. "Module, Driver Assistance/Audio/Display", the ADAS ECU module, changed. I couldn't find Gen2 ultrasonic ECU though.

 

[Riviot]

FWIW I looked at the manual for replacing ADAS ECU, it has the same number of plugs but the coolant connectors changed from vertical to horizontal. So it wouldn't fit through the firewall the same way.

Interesting to see the ECU is cooled by the same radiator lines though, you have to plug the lines so it doesn't leak during replacement.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Neat.

But the entire point of this thread is talking about the unfulfilled promises made in this arena.

I'd be more surprised to hear they didn't have it functioning at all on Gen1, vs having it functioning and not being reliable enough to risk being the direct cause of accidents, even if they are less likely than a driver who isn't paying enough attention to the task at hand.

Tesla has never worried about naming their system to sound like a level 5 system. But I think that speaks to a character difference between CEOs here.

 

[captainjp]

I'd be more surprised to hear they didn't have it functioning at all on Gen1, vs having it functioning and not being reliable enough to risk being the direct cause of accidents, even if they are less likely than a driver who isn't paying enough attention to the task at hand.

Tesla has never worried about naming their system to sound like a level 5 system. But I think that speaks to a character difference between CEOs here.

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[ATLRivvy]

Don’t know why people are worried about replacing hardware to support Level 3 autonomous - I have a Gen 2 and the ADAS is worse than a 10 year old Honda.

Rivians are unreliable at even basic ADAS features and as far as autonomous, the longest I’ve ever had Driver+ sessions uninterrupted is about 8-10 miles. The system flatly isn’t roadworthy.

And this isn’t coming from someone who is anti-autonomous, I also have a Mach-E and have successfully used Bluecruise for 6+ hour road trips. It can go hundreds of miles, mostly hands free with very limited interruptions these days.

They need to get basic sensor reliability and simple ADAS features working properly before spending a second on autonomous.

 

[godfodder0901]

Don’t know why people are worried about replacing hardware to support Level 3 autonomous - I have a Gen 2 and the ADAS is worse than a 10 year old Honda.

Rivians are unreliable at even basic ADAS features and as far as autonomous, the longest I’ve ever had Driver+ sessions uninterrupted is about 8-10 miles. The system flatly isn’t roadworthy.

And this isn’t coming from someone who is anti-autonomous, I also have a Mach-E and have successfully used Bluecruise for 6+ hour road trips. It can go hundreds of miles, mostly hands free with very limited interruptions these days.

They need to get basic sensor reliability and simple ADAS features working properly before spending a second on autonomous.

Yeah, I think that's kind of the point of the thread, at least for me. It's important for people to level set expectations about current Rivian ADAS capabilities and any future improvements that may be promised.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Don’t know why people are worried about replacing hardware to support Level 3 autonomous - I have a Gen 2 and the ADAS is worse than a 10 year old Honda.

Rivians are unreliable at even basic ADAS features and as far as autonomous, the longest I’ve ever had Driver+ sessions uninterrupted is about 8-10 miles. The system flatly isn’t roadworthy.

And this isn’t coming from someone who is anti-autonomous, I also have a Mach-E and have successfully used Bluecruise for 6+ hour road trips. It can go hundreds of miles, mostly hands free with very limited interruptions these days.

They need to get basic sensor reliability and simple ADAS features working properly before spending a second on autonomous.

I routinely go several hours of freeway driving on driver+ without a single hiccup.

 

[ATLRivvy]

I routinely go several hours of freeway driving on driver+ without a single hiccup.

Then your experience is different from mine and every other Rivian owner I know (I live in a neighborhood with dozens of them). Between “road info unavailable”, overpasses incorrectly marked as tunnels, sensor errors, dangerously ping-ponging to find center, struggling with curves, inability to recognize lines, and random unmapped road sections despite being on a major interstate - I can’t make it 10 miles. And this is in Atlanta, a top-10 US metro.

I’ve had the car checked and nothing is wrong with it, and my neighborhood across the street has the same experience in his R1T. And like I said - Ford’s Bluecruise is 10x better operating in this same area

 

[SANZC02]

Then your experience is different from mine and every other Rivian owner I know (I live in a neighborhood with dozens of them). Between “road info unavailable”, overpasses incorrectly marked as tunnels, sensor errors, dangerously ping-ponging to find center, struggling with curves, inability to recognize lines, and random unmapped road sections despite being on a major interstate - I can’t make it 10 miles. And this is in Atlanta, a top-10 US metro.

I’ve had the car checked and nothing is wrong with it, and my neighborhood across the street has the same experience in his R1T. And like I said - Ford’s Bluecruise is 10x better operating in this same area

That is strange, I’ve driven coast to coast 4 times (2 round trips) over 13k miles and I’ve had good luck with mine. Admittedly, the trip in January 2023 was not as good as the one in July 2024 but on the long open stretches of highway especially on this last trip I had several legs between chargers where I got on the highway, put it in conserve and set driver+. It stayed engaged until I took it off to exit the freeway.

I’ll admit I do not use it in anything more than light traffic or around cities but I do not use AP1 in my Tesla in those scenarios either.

Heading out next week for another long trip, will be curious if the latest OTAs have changed driver+ much since last July.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Then your experience is different from mine and every other Rivian owner I know (I live in a neighborhood with dozens of them). Between “road info unavailable”, overpasses incorrectly marked as tunnels, sensor errors, dangerously ping-ponging to find center, struggling with curves, inability to recognize lines, and random unmapped road sections despite being on a major interstate - I can’t make it 10 miles. And this is in Atlanta, a top-10 US metro.

I’ve had the car checked and nothing is wrong with it, and my neighborhood across the street has the same experience in his R1T. And like I said - Ford’s Bluecruise is 10x better operating in this same area

Have you ever driven outside your area? I've driven cross country 4 times with a Rivian and I haven't had this issue. Admittedly I haven't taken it to Atlanta but not too far from you in East TN it works everywhere consistently. Sounds like the issue is a localized problem.

 

[ATLRivvy]

Have you ever driven outside your area? I've driven cross country 4 times with a Rivian and I haven't had this issue. Admittedly I haven't taken it to Atlanta but not too far from you in East TN it works everywhere consistently. Sounds like the issue is a localized problem.

Haven’t really taken it too far on the road yet but this definitely isn’t a localized problem. It’s pretty much consensus experience on this forum and with the other Rivian owners I know. The ADAS system is far behind Tesla, Ford, GM for sure.. I haven’t used the Volvo/Polestar EVs yet but their ICE ADAS is solid so can’t imagine Rivian being better.

Everything about it is bad.. even when it’s working it’s far less stable than my Bluecruise car, has far fewer mapped roads and the sensors have less reliability/tolerance. Even its audio signals are bad - minor alerts are so jarring you would think a nuclear missile was incoming.

 

[2kwik4u]

Maybe I am in the minority but I don't want this feature. If you don't want to pay attention while driving take an uber.

This is too far down the thread. I don't want it either. I have literally ZERO interest in full self driving tech. Adaptive cruise is nice, and light lane centering is OK, but any more is, IMO, more control than I'm willing to give up when driving. IMO, the current Gen 1 "autonomy" is the sweet spot of control vs assistance.

Rivian is already skirting closely to the edge of me not getting another and letting the lease go back and being done with the brand. If they implement "eye tracking" at any level, I'm out. Every single vehicle I've driven that has had it, has been a pain in the ass. Even those without any level of autonomy beyond basic cruise control. The Hyundai I got in Vegas a few months ago wouldn't let me look at the nav to see where I was headed without throwing a warning. Even with cruise disabled.

If/when that is enabled, I'll stop updating the truck. Not a super big fan of the updates anyway, but that's for another thread.

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