Silver9k
Well-Known Member
Ford would just be one example, at least they are profitable. Rivian admits it will be several years before they are profitable and that they have no intention of being profitable but instead intend to grow. The valuations for most auto companies make sense. Tesla, not so much, but they're at least profitable and pioneers in the field. There is a degree of understanding to their unreasonable valuation based on potential (mostly tesla taxi). Lucid valuation simply makes no sense to me, but I would consider it the most comparable to Rivian. With that I would not be surprised to see Rivian increase above the 77b. But no, for me, they aren't anywhere near there yet. Potential with their fleet software and vehicles? Have we seen any of this yet? We didn't even see use of the UI until the press videos came out. I didn't read through all of the S1 filing though read a lot of it, didn't find anything numerical about the margins on their vehicles. I'd imagine that their operating cost percentage vs. an established manufacturer are probably not wonderful. Maybe they don't have pensions but must have higher consumables costs based simply on purchase volume. Loosing 1 billion in 2020 without even getting production going and barely having any staff? Idk, like I said love the product, REALLY want to see them succeed. But I think they need to do a bit more proving themselves before they're worth that much.ford, as an example, has massive costs (debt, pensions, etc), and it’s generally going to cost them more to produce a car at the moment than Rivian or Tesla.
No reason to invest without being comfortable about it though.
Though I'm sure investors will get to see all the new good products SOON!
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