Which ADAS is Really Driving? It’s Mobileye!

[Donald Stanfield]

I can give a shitload of examples, including ones I've experienced where ADAS saw a red light runner that I couldn't see. My friend whose ADAS steered the car just before he realized that traffic wouldn't stop and rear end him. The examples are easily found.

You seem to be talking about FSD when saying the words ADAS instead. Do you know what the 'D' stands for? And the second 'A'?

It cannot be better than the primary system if it's an ASSIST system. Even the term contradicts your claims. There is no ADAS better than a human. That's not even debatable.

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[pamalabama]

It cannot be better than the primary system if it's an ASSIST system. Even the term contradicts your claims. There is no ADAS better than a human. That's not even debatable.

you're using ridiculous metrics by saying that an adas system is not as intelligent as a human and therefore not as good.

ADAS systems do not get tired, experience road rage, or make incorrect decisions due to an impending accident that causes a human to act incorrectly due to fear


ADAS systems have better training in low visibility scenarios including being fed the ground truth information. So they can learn in a more efficient way as well as being able to use the future to inform the past.

Look how fast FSD shifts in and out of reverse here:



Look at it driving a one lane mountain road in rural china like it's nothing:

 

[Donald Stanfield]

you're using ridiculous metrics by saying that an adas system is not as intelligent as a human and therefore not as good.

ADAS systems do not get tired, experience road rage, or make incorrect decisions due to an impending accident that causes a human to act incorrectly due to fear


ADAS systems have better training in low visibility scenarios including being fed the ground truth information. So they can learn in a more efficient way as well as being able to use the future to inform the past.

Look how fast FSD shifts in and out of reverse here:



Look at it driving a one lane mountain road in rural china like it's nothing:

You’re ignoring the obvious. These systems are dangerous and do not drive as well as your average human. They do not, that’s just the fact of the matter.

 

[pamalabama]

You’re ignoring the obvious. These systems are dangerous and do not drive as well as your average human. They do not, that’s just the fact of the matter.

put the average american on some of those chinese roads. The car does better

put a human in a place they've never driven before. Human drives like a tourist and the car with mapping and traffic drives like a local

Also a huge one. ADAS systems reduce traffic jams because the perfect distance keeping from the car ahead reduces traffic ripple

Also from a smoothness, the latest FSD would require ridiculous effort to match with real driving. The car is giving 100% effort at all times which is frankly impossible

 

[risingphoenix]

I really don’t understand the arguments behind which is better: ADAS/FSD or humans. They are currently different and each has weaknesses the other does not.

It is clear that:
1) automated driving systems will eventually pass humans in safety and in some metrics already have.
2) neither automated systems nor humans are currently as safe as humans + ADAS/FSD. Two drivers are safer than one.

 

[Zoidz]

ADAS and FSD cannot handle edge cases that a human can intuitively and easily handle. Rim bending pot hole avoidance? Follow hand directions of a police officer at a road block? Something falls off a truck in front of you and needs quick, evasive steering? There are plenty more examples. Until automated systems can handle these edge cases as well as a human, they are not as good as a human driver.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

put the average american on some of those chinese roads. The car does better

put a human in a place they've never driven before. Human drives like a tourist and the car with mapping and traffic drives like a local

Also a huge one. ADAS systems reduce traffic jams because the perfect distance keeping from the car ahead red

Show me a study saying so.

 

[Zoidz]

put the average american on some of those chinese roads. The car does better

Duh. Anyone driving in a foreign country is inherently going to have greater challenges. This comment is irrelevant in the current discussion - nobody mentioned foreign driving.

put a human in a place they've never driven before. Human drives like a tourist and the car with mapping and traffic drives like a local

A minority of people may drive like a tourist in new places (perhaps you know from first hand experience) but most people do not. I’ve traveled extensively throughout the US, driving myself and with others driving. This statement is nonsense.

Also a huge one. ADAS systems reduce traffic jams because the perfect distance keeping from the car ahead reduces traffic ripple

Also nonsense. Ripple still occurs due to the vast majority vehicles not having ADAS, and because people change lanes in ADAS calculated space, which causes the ADAS to then slow down, creating a ripple effect. I’ve experienced it many times in my Rivian and in Teslas. In fact, human drivers can minimize the ripple by temporarily allowing the shorter distance.

 

[mpshizzle]

Me coming back to this thread after the weekend

 

[JM.]

That's not even debatable.

Exactly, it's known fact that they are. I believe you've built a church around poor assumptions. As well as making dubious claims with vague words like "better" than a human. Which they are, for some things, in some cases.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Exactly, it's known fact that they are. I believe you've built a church around poor assumptions. As well as making dubious claims with vague words like "better" than a human. Which they are, for some things, in some cases.

Then provide some evidence for your outlandish claims.

 

[JM.]

Also a huge one. ADAS systems reduce traffic jams because the perfect distance keeping from the car ahead reduces traffic ripple

I've watched groups of true self driving cars in lines and traffic, and this part is a huge benefit. They will brake and accelerate in ways that smooth out the slinky effect. It will reduce traffic when a lot are in use. They could also tailgate safely, and I'm sure one day they will.

However, I've had conversations with people who hate that they drive too normally (meaning not aggressive enough). Those are the people who really shouldn't drive, but think they are a better driver than computers.

 

[JM.]

Then provide some evidence for your outlandish claims.

I did. It's everywhere, all around you.

Also, what's my claim? You're using vague words, and then I'm answering them. What exactly was your claim to start with? Are you still mixing up ADAS, AP, FSD....?

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I did. It's everywhere, all around you.

Also, what's my claim? You're using vague words, and then I'm answering them. What exactly was your claim to start with? Are you still mixing up ADAS, AP, FSD....?

So your source is “trust me bro”. Why is it that people like you never have any actual studies supporting your claims?

 

[risingphoenix]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-48526-4

TL/DR; Autonomous systems are overall safer than humans but more unsafe in specific instances AT THE TIME THE ARTICLE WAS PUBLISHED. This technology is evolving daily.

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