When Native NACS on R1T - Any Insight?

[CampfireWisdom]

Lots of rumors out there but does anybody have any clear insight… maybe on the Gen 3? 2026? I know it’ll be native on the R2 but my family needs the bigger R1 series. I think native NACS might be the thing that helps encourage me and others to make a move. I keep my cars a long time and if I’m going to drop some bomb$$$, then I want NACS.

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[VanCityMike]

You can't use an adapter?

 

[CompilerBreak]

You can't use an adapter?

Yeah I get the forward looking mentality, but given the exceptionally slow speed with which the chargers out there update, most folks will most certainly need to have some kind of adapter for the next 5-10 years is my guess.

 

[CampfireWisdom]

Yeah I get the forward looking mentality, but given the exceptionally slow speed with which the chargers out there update, most folks will most certainly need to have some kind of adapter for the next 5-10 years is my guess.

You get it. I realize I’d still have to use an adapter now, but long-term that situation would eventually come to an end. In short, I don’t mind signing up for an adaptor knowing it won’t be forever. I’m hoping we see it on the 2026. It might be a way to inject some excitement and sales into the market. But, what do I know. Thanks!

 

[CharonPDX]

Probably late this year. https://rivian.com/newsroom/article...ard-and-access-to-teslas-supercharger-network

Maybe not until next year, whenever 2026 model year vehicles start shipping. But it won’t be a “Gen 3,” just a charge port update.

 

[VSG]

Probably late this year. https://rivian.com/newsroom/article...ard-and-access-to-teslas-supercharger-network

Mmm, I wouldn't bet anything on a two year old press release made before any of this NACS stuff was fleshed out.

I also keep my vehicles for a long time, and I plan to keep my CCS R1T for another 10 years at least (already owned it almost 3 years).

Yes, the R2 will have NACS. That is not in doubt. Second half of 2026.

But if you want an R1, I highly recommend buying it now, because chances are you will have to wait a year or more before your NACS-enabled R1 will be available. If I had waited to buy my R1T until NACS was available, I would still have nothing and would have missed out on 3 years of the best vehicle I've ever owned.

CCS is going to be around for the next 10 years. Either way, you will need an adapter (CCS->NACS or NACS->CCS) for the next 10 years. At least in my part of the country, there are many places where NACS is still not an option and you have to rely on CCS. And you will want the choice in any case, because Tesla chargers are cheaper in some places but can be a lot more expensive in other places.

There is nothing inherently superior to either outlet, so the best strategy IMO is to roll with it and buy the vehicle you want rather than wait for some potential future change. Whether you have a CCS port or a NACS port, your Rivian will be able to use all CCS chagers and about 2/3 of the existing Tesla chargers.

 

[tps5352]

Interesting.

I, too, am interested in when Rivian will start outfitting R1 vehicles with SAE J3400 charge ports. To help (me) understand what a switch in ports might mean, I developed a tabular analysis with the idea of present, transition, and future adapter needs (The Possible Future of Charging Adapters?). (The first post is interesting to me, also, in that it retained the accompanying poll after the switch of Rivian Forums servers awhile back. Other threads I started did not retain their lead-off polls. ?)

I respectfully conclude that NACS ports and plugs will actually be superior (to CCS1). Why? Simple design. Smaller size. And ability to fully handle both DC and AC sources (in North America). Eventually, fewer (or even no) adapters will be needed. I do acknowledge that it will probably take awhile for the full transition to be complete. Of course, in the future charging (and charging hardware) may look totally different (e.g., wireless charging at home and on some highways; switch to self-driving, company-owned robo-cars; advanced batteries; etc.).

Since I am plugging threads related to charge ports, might as well mention this one, too: The New Rivian NACS Port--Where Should It Be Located?.

 

[CampfireWisdom]

Wow! Thanks for the thorough guidance. I think patience will pay dividends. I’m not chomping at the bit, and I don’t mind waiting for something that makes my life easier in the long run. After all, interest rates are insane so maybe delaying my acquisition will be the best decision.

Thanks for all of your help, amigos!

 

[icy1007]

Rivian is shutting down the production line in Normal soon for a few weeks or more. They might introduce the native NACS port with the changes they’re making.

 

[CampfireWisdom]

Rivian is shutting down the production line in Normal soon for a few weeks or more. They might introduce the native NACS port with the changes they’re making.

Very interesting… thank you.

 

[emoore]

Wow! Thanks for the thorough guidance. I think patience will pay dividends. I’m not chomping at the bit, and I don’t mind waiting for something that makes my life easier in the long run. After all, interest rates are insane so maybe delaying my acquisition will be the best decision.

Thanks for all of your help, amigos!

As long as you are ok if there are any price increases in the next couple of years. I'd rather carry an adapter and lock my price in now vs. the unknown of tomorrow.

 

[CampfireWisdom]

As long as you are ok if there are any price increases in the next couple of years. I'd rather carry an adapter and lock my price in now vs. the unknown of tomorrow.

Good point. I think I’d rather take a calculated risk on an interest rate drop coupled with the inclusion of the NACS port. Right now, I got a paid Prius C, saving me $$$ on gas and maintenance. The more I wait the more I can save.

 

[VSG]

Rivian is shutting down the production line in Normal soon for a few weeks or more. They might introduce the native NACS port with the changes they’re making.

That's what everyone was saying LAST year about the April 2024 shutdown that gave us Gen 2.

Posters were all insisting that they had inside information from a friend who works for Rivian, and that the Gen 2 would definitely come with the NACS port because these would be 2025 models and Rivian "promised" that NACS was coming in 2025.

BTW, the 2025 number was always calendar year, not model year, and it was based on the R2 being released in late 2025. That's why going off of a 2 year old press release is not a good strategy - things change in two years. I'm going to stick with what I've been saying for two years now - Rivian is switching to NACS for the R2, and the parts design, software, supply chain, tooling, etc. is being built on the R2 deadline. IF they get some of that done early, then MAYBE they will start putting NACS in high-end R1 (perhaps in the new Quads, which aren't being made yet?) and it might eventually trickle down into lower-end models. I think it's more likely that Rivian plans to switch over everything all at once rather than have to support both CCS and NACS, so I would think that a NACS R1 will be introduced coinciding with the R2 launch.

The upcoming planned shutdown was announced for 2nd half 2025, and the reason given for the shutdown is to retool the lines in preparation for the R2 - nothing has been said about NACS. That doesn't mean it can't happen, it just means that you shouldn't get your hopes up and hold off purchasing based on your hope that some unsubstantiated rumor is true.

 

[icy1007]

That's what everyone was saying LAST year about the April 2024 shutdown that gave us Gen 2.

Posters were all insisting that they had inside information from a friend who works for Rivian, and that the Gen 2 would definitely come with the NACS port because these would be 2025 models and Rivian "promised" that NACS was coming in 2025.

BTW, the 2025 number was always calendar year, not model year, and it was based on the R2 being released in late 2025. That's why going off of a 2 year old press release is not a good strategy - things change in two years. I'm going to stick with what I've been saying for two years now - Rivian is switching to NACS for the R2, and the parts design, software, supply chain, tooling, etc. is being built on the R2 deadline. IF they get some of that done early, then MAYBE they will start putting NACS in high-end R1 (perhaps in the new Quads, which aren't being made yet?) and it might eventually trickle down into lower-end models. I think it's more likely that Rivian plans to switch over everything all at once rather than have to support both CCS and NACS, so I would think that a NACS R1 will be introduced coinciding with the R2 launch.

The upcoming planned shutdown was announced for 2nd half 2025, and the reason given for the shutdown is to retool the lines in preparation for the R2 - nothing has been said about NACS. That doesn't mean it can't happen, it just means that you shouldn't get your hopes up and hold off purchasing based on your hope that some unsubstantiated rumor is true.

It is still possible for NACS to be coming from this change and coming in 2025. The 2026 model year R1 will be coming in the summer.

 

[electruck]

Don't know, don't care, and wouldn't consider it a factor in a vehicle purchase decision - and adapters ensure I don't need to.

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