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I get it, but sure hope that's not the route they take. It's a terrible user experience.
I hear you but when I drive in Conserve, I rarely notice the rear motors engaging. Once and a while I feel it, but when in Conserve, I am driving gently anyway.

I am willing to bet most R1 Dual owners are not hitting it hard like you are, and rarely feel anything. But maybe they will improve the smoothness in the R2, or as you suggested they will use an inductive motor in the rear. Stay positive! 👍
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I wonder if the lineup will be something like this:

Single motor FWD/RWD standard battery - $45K
Dual motor AWD standard battery - $55K (software unlockable performance)
Dual motor performance AWD standard battery - $60K
Tri-Motor performance AWD extended battery - $70K

Optional software upgrade standard AWD -> performance AWD - $5K
Standard -> Extended battery upgrade - $5K
Optional sound & vision package - $2K
Optional all-terrain package - $3K

Perhaps have a launch edition with sound & vision standard at no cost.
 

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I'd much rather have 20-80% SoC in 15 minutes or less than 350 miles. Shorter charging sessions > longer range IMO.
Not me. Longer range means less need to DCFC, and more ability to do all my charging at home, or at my destination. IMO home/destination charging is much preferred over mid-route charging.
 

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I hear you but when I drive in Conserve, I rarely notice the rear motors engaging. Once and a while I feel it, but when in Conserve, I am driving gently anyway.

I am willing to bet most R1 Dual owners are not hitting it hard like you are, and rarely feel anything. But maybe they will improve the smoothness in the R2, or as you suggested they will use an inductive motor in the rear. Stay positive! 👍
Trying to stay positive. I really love the brand and the product and want to see them succeed. I see myself as a "overly discerning customer".

What kills me about the rear lockup is it's not always a "hard hit". I feel it a lot when driving through rolling hills with the cruise set. Anything over about 55-60mph and a slight uphill will bring on a "downshift". I'm not convinced that I don't have a crap example of a truck as well. It was built in Dec of '23, but didn't appear on the shop until I bought it in Sept of '24. No idea why Rivian had it for almost a year on the lot, but based on the issues I've had I suspect it didn't meet QA multiple times before finally being released. It's one of the few reasons I would consider another Rivian......I think I got a dud the first time.
 

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Not me. Longer range means less need to DCFC, and more ability to do all my charging at home, or at my destination. IMO home/destination charging is much preferred over mid-route charging.
Shorter charging sessions more closely mirrors the ICE experience. 300-400 miles is the average range between fill ups for a compact SUV so people are already attuned to stopping every 300 or so miles. The differentiator is that it takes about 3-5 minutes to fill up a gas tank but around 30 minutes of charging (in an R1) to get from 20-80.

I don't mind stopping every 3 hours to charge, its better for your health anyways. I'd just like for those charging stops to more closely mirror a gas stop than they do now.
 

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I wonder how reservations will work, like if our reservation comes up in their queue, and we want to wait for a Tri-Motor, I wonder if we can get moved into a trim specific queue (so to speak).

I mean, even if we wanted the dual, we're not on deck till like early '27.
 

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I really hope that range is at least 350 miles and that they improved the thermals. V2H and level 3 ADAS will be the cherry on top
Range will be huge. This needs to be decently over 300 as that's kind of our baseline (we regularly get 330-350 with the iX)
 

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I wonder how reservations will work, like if our reservation comes up in their queue, and we want to wait for a Tri-Motor, I wonder if we can get moved into a trim specific queue (so to speak).

I mean, even if we wanted the dual, we're not on deck till like early '27.
The legalese on the R2 priority delivery makes it sound like you lose out on the priority if you don't act right away when your number comes up. What that means for once tri-motors come out, no idea.
 

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Range will be huge. This needs to be decently over 300 as that's kind of our baseline (we regularly get 330-350 with the iX)
We currently have a max pack R1S with 380 miles of rated range and it's nice to have. I believe that they stated at some point that the R2S will have a 100KWh which would translate into low 300 miles range.
 

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The legalese on the R2 priority delivery makes it sound like you lose out on the priority if you don't act right away when your number comes up. What that means for once tri-motors come out, no idea.
When your number comes up sounds so grim ... :oops: 🤣

Yeah, that sounds more like what I'd expect, my version was a bit optimistic!
 

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We currently have a max pack R1S with 380 miles of rated range and it's nice to have. I believe that they stated at some point that the R2S will have a 100KWh which would translate into low 300 miles range.
That's assuming a similar efficiency as an R1S, which won't be the case. Most are guessing around a 3 mi/kWh rating. I can get better than the rated efficiency in my Gen1 Dual Motor Large R1T on the freeway - 2.68 mi/kWh EPA rated, can get 2.8 or 2.9 depending on weather... One or two tenths of a mile/kWh might not sound like much, but it's the difference between 350 miles (2.68) and 380 miles (2.9) on the same battery pack.

I'm guessing it'll be able to see 3.3-3.5 mi/kWh if you don't drive like a stunt driver.

Additionally, I don't think we've seen any official numbers on pack size..... just some educated internet image sleuthing. So it could be more than 100kWh....
 

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That's assuming a similar efficiency as an R1S, which won't be the case. Most are guessing around a 3 mi/kWh rating. I can get better than the rated efficiency in my Gen1 Dual Motor Large R1T on the freeway - 2.68 mi/kWh EPA rated, can get 2.8 or 2.9 depending on weather... One or two tenths of a mile/kWh might not sound like much, but it's the difference between 350 miles (2.68) and 380 miles (2.9) on the same battery pack.

I'm guessing it'll be able to see 3.3-3.5 mi/kWh if you don't drive like a stunt driver.

Additionally, I don't think we've seen any official numbers on pack size..... just some educated internet image sleuthing. So it could be more than 100kWh....
I think that the 100kwh estimates are reverse engineered based off anticipated efficiency and Rivian's range promises.

Over 300 miles of range / 3.0-3.5 mi/kwh = 100ish kwh battery.
 

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... if the configurator came out the end of this year, I was hoping that meant earlier release in 2026. But as it stands, this does indicate no release until may or june which would likely indicate I will not get my vehicle until 2027.
I doubt the release date is reliant on when the configurator comes out for several reasons.
  • Rivian is choosing to initially produce the highest demand Dual motor AWD platform
  • The number of options/permutations on R1 is quite limited. R2 configuration options are unlikely to be broader, especially at launch, to avoid complicating production right at the start.
  • In addition, the Launch Edition helps focus demand into something Rivian can build without needing a customer to specify options first, i.e. limited paint and interior options on LE.
  • There is significant pent up demand, so whatever Rivian initially build based on Dual motor AWD platform is likely to match someone's requirement, even if the customer had been given free choice in a configurator.
  • Which means they can just build R2 to stock for the initial months of production.
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