Rivian Autonomy & AI Day! Lidar, Hands-Free Driving, Rivian Assistant & more announced

[endress14]

I wonder how much of this tech will translate to the Scout...

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[Volabisi]

I can’t understand for the life of me why these automakers think the mass consumer market will be willing to Pay subscription prices for autonomy features. I am an early adopter and have switched to EV only since 2015 with the Tesla Model S. Currently a new owner of a 2026 R1T. I could never see a future in which I pay subscription fee for any feature in a vehicle that I’ve purchased, especially when said vehicle already cost over $80K. What i see happening is that they will eventually start building the price into the cost of the vehicle. Why should consumers have to foot the cost for these companies to keep invading their products. They’ve reached the point where all cars have basically the same features and options and the cars cost way more fore the same product, it is their burden to find ways to differentiate themselves from one another. I refuse to pay a dime. My advise is to use all that subscription money and buy Rivian stock with it, because its going to blow through the roof by the end of 2026.

 

[narmstrong79]

AT this point why would anyone buy an R1 ? Gen 1 has been abandoned after being over promised, Gen 2 is outdated and Gen 3 will be a beast. No one should buy a car, especially one that cost 80-140K that is outdated in 6-8 months

 

[SANZC02]

Mine never dropped. Maybe the network in your area was congested.

Looks like it was my home service, after the responses (thanks @Yota2R1T , @mkhuffman ) I disconnected from the home network and watched with my phone.

 

[KidThunder]

I hope that they’ll be able to figure out how to release those additional roads to Gen1 vehicles and the text messaging.
Totally makes sense that the point to point and other AI improvements won’t work with the hardware we have but it would go a long way to proving to the community that these vehicles aren’t only good for a few years but they are built to last, and adapt.

 

[Noplacelikeloam]

Are we all assuming you get Gen 3 R2 for the same price as Gen 2?

Seems obvious that Gen 2 will launch at said price, Gen 3 could be 10K more.

Their positioning wasnt clear and the market is speaking up.

 

[Eric9610]

I was not aware that BMW or MB has enabled full hands-free driving in the US. When did they do that?

The last I saw, GM had the best hands-free driving (of the legacy companies), and even that is limited. It is true Rivian is playing catch up right now, but they appear to be poised to be much better much faster.

I am skeptical that any legacy car company has the level of integration that Rivian demonstrated, but I have not been following BMW's or MB's progress on this.

MB has had level 3 available for 3 years now in the USA in select locations and 4 years in Germany. The big thing MB offers is that if the car gets in a crash in L3 FSD they take the insurance liability. MB started with the tech in the S class and is now available down to the E class I believe.

BMW has shown FSD in the M3 8 years ago that is so good the driver did not even know that the AI was intervening to improve track time. I suspect the big party trick BMW is holding off on is the iX3 will have FSD with eyes off as an OTA update. All the reviews have said the L2 highway and street driving is amazing and the videos are impressive.

I agree on the GM side as they have the most mapped roads.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I can’t understand for the life of me why these automakers think the mass consumer market will be willing to Pay subscription prices for autonomy features. I am an early adopter and have switched to EV only since 2015 with the Tesla Model S. Currently a new owner of a 2026 R1T. I could never see a future in which I pay subscription fee for any feature in a vehicle that I’ve purchased, especially when said vehicle already cost over $80K. What i see happening is that they will eventually start building the price into the cost of the vehicle. Why should consumers have to foot the cost for these companies to keep invading their products. They’ve reached the point where all cars have basically the same features and options and the cars cost way more fore the same product, it is their burden to find ways to differentiate themselves from one another. I refuse to pay a dime. My advise is to use all that subscription money and buy Rivian stock with it, because its going to blow through the roof by the end of 2026.

So buy it for the option price of $2500 up front instead then?

 

[Webleyaz]

Unfortunately 8% stock price during the presentation seems to support your thesis. Hope you are wrong...

What I've found over the years of trading is the stock market is very predictable. Bad news for a company means its stock will decline, no news means its stock will decline but good news means its sock will decline.

 

[Shoeshear]

AT this point why would anyone buy an R1 ? Gen 1 has been abandoned after being over promised, Gen 2 is outdates and Gen 3 will be a beast. No one should buy a car, especially one that cost 80-140K that is outdated in 6-8 months

Because fully functional autonomy is not quite as close as everyone thinks, and in the meantime, you're still stuck driving 75% of the time. IMO, the autonomy stuff only comes in two functional flavors - 1. highway cruising + bumper to bumper traffic (basically where Rivian is at now). 2. Full autonomy (L4 and beyond). All the stuff in-between feels like stuff to try to get people excited on a half-baked product (FSD and the like).

I do wonder about the LiDAR decision on R2 and why they wouldn't include the hardware from the outset. Seems like a bit of a misstep for something that is supposed to be their homerun. Hopefully, it's retrofittable. We probably won't/wouldn't pick up the R2 until the LiDAR is in and validated. My wife hates autonomous driving, so maybe that won't matter.

Edit: Also, why are we all buying vehicles with the expectation that they are future proofed forever? The line has to be drawn somewhere. On traditional vehicles, they are 100% obsolete the second you buy them. At least here, there is some recourse with software modification. I would hope that at this point, people are buying vehicles for the current capabilities and that upgrades/improvements are the cherry on top. Speculative buying probably only leads to disappointment, leading people to feel that the product they were excited for was overpromised and underdelivered on its feature-set.

 

[VandalSibs]

AT this point why would anyone buy an R1 ? Gen 1 has been abandoned after being over promised, Gen 2 is outdates and Gen 3 will be a beast. No one should buy a car, especially one that cost 80-140K that is outdated in 6-8 months

Because some people get a car/truck for what it can do now, and are okay with that (Me, as exhibit number one, among others).

 

[Dark-Fx]

What I've found over the years of trading is the stock market is very predictable. Bad news for a company means its stock will decline, no news means its stock will decline but good news means its sock will decline.

You forgot one. You knew the stock was going to decline, and bought that side of the trade. This makes the stock go up.

 

[amullins]

Tank turn flashbacks

 

[TexasBob]

What I've found over the years of trading is the stock market is very predictable. Bad news for a company means its stock will decline, no news means its stock will decline but good news means its sock will decline.

You obviously do not follow Tesla. Sales down, stock up. Margins down, stock up. New model an embarrassing failure, stock up. Massively dilutive CEO pay package, stock up. Miss the 17th deadline on your "industry leading" robotaxi, stock up. Your buildings being literally set on fire after your CEO endorses a neo-nazi party and gives a Hitlerian salute to his followers... well okay they stock dropped for a minute but then, stock up baby!

 

[AllInev]

...and one reason why I leased my '24 R1T...

Yes, if you're primarily interested in the tech, lease don't buy.

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