Universal Hands-Free can kill you! (If you don’t read release notes)

[CrazyOne]

I had an incident today where I tried out UHF on a well-marked local road and it got confused in an area where the straight lane jogged over and a left turn lane was ended up in the same line as the straight lane before it (if that makes sense).

The vehicle sort of realized as it veered into the left turn lane but wasn't sure what to do when straddling between the two and ended up choosing left incorrectly. Had it kept going, it would have ran into a median. I was paying attention the whole time and quickly took over but it didn't inspire confidence.

At the moment, I'm feeling like UHF isn't particularly more useful to me than the enhanced highway assist until it can actually handle non-highway roads. Maybe it's because I'm in the bay area, but pretty much any highway type road was already mapped before UHF.

I had an almost identical incident with Tesla FSD in a friend's car earlier this year. It was new and he wanted to show it to me .

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[riverie]

I can see the current iteration being useful on a rural two lane.
I have played with it a little in my suburban wanderings but next thing you know there's a stop sign or a traffic light or a jogger and you need to take over.
But a step in the right direction.

Oh, I agree 1000% with the comments about nobody reads the instructions, and people find ways to wreck stuff you thought was safe. I spent a lifetime around industrial machinery and have more stories than anyone will sit and listen to.

 

[hudesigns]

I seriously didn’t realize pancakes can kill you until reading Yellowface. Then I realize lots of things in life can kill, bikes, extension cords, knives, scissors and of course choking by random food. Just be careful out there using lots of common sense.

 

[hammick]

I'm on these forums almost daily and I must admit my debut drive today with the latest release I wasn't 100% sure that us G2s didn't have what was shown on AI Day. My wife was freekin" out when I tested whether it would stop at a red light.

Next year when Rivian starts charging for ADAS I have no idea what the capabilities will be if an owner doesn't subscribe. Just ACC, what we had before .46 or what we have since .46?

 

[HaveBlue]

All I got was a cute map on the dash board and I'm fine with that. The Gen 1 Assist has almost crash a few times for me.

 

[Sgt Beavis]

I’m just wondering if, instead of just release notes, Rivian should make a training video with each release like this. Maybe even make it mandatory viewing before self driving features are activated. Meanwhile, I think everyone should pay closer attention to RivianTrackr’s Youtube channel for this stuff.

Here is the video for the five people that are not aware.

 

[Weck]

I had an incident today where I tried out UHF on a well-marked local road and it got confused in an area where the straight lane jogged over and a left turn lane was ended up in the same line as the straight lane before it (if that makes sense).

The vehicle sort of realized as it veered into the left turn lane but wasn't sure what to do when straddling between the two and ended up choosing left incorrectly. Had it kept going, it would have ran into a median. I was paying attention the whole time and quickly took over but it didn't inspire confidence.

At the moment, I'm feeling like UHF isn't particularly more useful to me than the enhanced highway assist until it can actually handle non-highway roads. Maybe it's because I'm in the bay area, but pretty much any highway type road was already mapped before UHF.

Yeah, it's not quite sure what to do with those situations where there is a turn lane and/or temporary short passing lane as the straight lane could be either one or both, depending on how the road was designed.

My assumption is every time we co-steer it or get it to disengage, they are capturing that data to train the model better.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Next year when Rivian starts charging for ADAS I have no idea what the capabilities will be if an owner doesn't subscribe. Just ACC, what we had before .46 or what we have since .46?

https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-rivian-autonomy-platform

 

[MountainBikeDude]

I do appreciate the comments about how informative the update notification is... however, I posted this to help the next fool that doesn't bother reading instructions.

I think your post is a good reminder for those using the system to be more keenly aware of its limitations. As some have already touched on, most ignore the critical fine print when they're eager to try the new fancy toy.

 

[MountainBikeDude]

https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-rivian-autonomy-platform

Rivian got this part right!

 

[Weck]

https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-rivian-autonomy-platform

Taking away lane change on command and UHF effective April 2026 if you don't pony up.

Personally on the fence if I'd pay those prices for the current capability, as you're looking at $49 plus $15 for connect verses say GM supercruise which does essentially the same thing for how I would use it, plus works while towing, for $39.

Yes, mapped versus AI, and Rivian has potential to add point to point but it's not here yet.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Taking away lane change on command and UHF effective April 2026 if you don't pony up.

Personally on the fence if I'd pay those prices for the current capability, as you're looking at $49 plus $15 for connect verses say GM supercruise which does essentially the same thing for how I would use it, plus works while towing, for $39.

Yes, mapped versus AI, and Rivian has potential to add point to point but it's not here yet.

From the way the release sounded, Rivian is going to give point to point for a bit before switching to paid service. I don't think there is a plan to roll out paid before point to point is live and working.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Taking away lane change on command and UHF effective April 2026 if you don't pony up.

Personally on the fence if I'd pay those prices for the current capability, as you're looking at $49 plus $15 for connect verses say GM supercruise which does essentially the same thing for how I would use it, plus works while towing, for $39.

Yes, mapped versus AI, and Rivian has potential to add point to point but it's not here yet.

Supercruise doesn't work on the majority of the roads I commute on, there's only a 2 mile stretch out of the 19 miles I drive. UHF will work on all of them. Including the dirt roads I sometimes take if traffic is backed up at a light.

But I still don't see a benefit in UHF, all it's serving to do so far is making me feel more comfortable about distractions when I should still be paying complete attention. I know I can't be the only one.

I would like to be able to use it while towing. It's pretty annoying towing a trailer in stop-and-go traffic, and Supercruise on my Sierra EV does just fine with that. But admittedly, the trailer towing range is the only reason we even have the GMC. I'm hopeful Rivian's gen3 R1T ships with a competitive max pack.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Supercruise doesn't work on the majority of the roads I commute on, there's only a 2 mile stretch out of the 19 miles I drive. UHF will work on all of them. Including the dirt roads I sometimes take if traffic is backed up at a light.

But I still don't see a benefit in UHF, all it's serving to do so far is making me feel more comfortable about distractions when I should still be paying complete attention. I know I can't be the only one.

I would like to be able to use it while towing. It's pretty annoying towing a trailer in stop-and-go traffic, and Supercruise on my Sierra EV does just fine with that. But admittedly, the trailer towing range is the only reason we even have the GMC. I'm hopeful Rivian's gen3 R1T ships with a competitive max pack.

I see one benefit of UHF, but it is probably specific to people like myself. The benefit is avoiding frustration when someone is in front of me driving too slowly. Especially when they are far too generous with the brake around turns. Following someone who drives like shit is incredibly frustrating but UHF can deal with that and I can relax a bit.

I've already ran into a couple spots like that and it was a big stress reliever.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I see one benefit of UHF, but it is probably specific to people like myself. The benefit is avoiding frustration when someone is in front of me driving too slowly. Especially when they are far too generous with the brake around turns. Following someone who drives like shit is incredibly frustrating but UHF can deal with that and I can relax a bit.

I've already ran into a couple spots like that and it was a big stress reliever.

This happens to me so often that I've become somewhat numb to it. And adaptive cruise still works in this situation for me. Almost all of our roads are straight here.

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