You can be skeptical all you like but the first model “50” is dual motor sub 5 second version with an EPA range of 400 miles from a useable 108kWh battery. Single motor variants will come later but the first model is $60k
That would work well for us.
That works out to 3.7 mi/kWh.
You can be as skeptical as you wish. The facts as stated in their EU sales (500 miles on that cycle which is typically 25% optimistic) or on their press release of 400 miles EPA which is pretty accurate for most companies support the states 400 miles EPA which range. BMW are not
You have to remember that BMW uses a lot of Carbon Fiber reinforced plastic and aluminum. I would not be surprised if the BMW weighs 300-500 LBS less than an R2.
I didn’t use “up to” so not sure what straw you are clutching. If you don’t want to believe a corporation, as well as real world reviews of European vehicles that are being delivered in three months time then nothing will convince you. Not sure what you are arguing since those European reviewers did may 3.7+ miles per kW and BMW is not in the habit of lying. The EPA tests are quoted as 400, the actual figure (doesn’t matter to most 395 or 405 miles) will be available soon.
That was also my reaction. But EPA numbers are funny since they are so low-speed dependent. Rivian's R1 max pack is rated at 410 which is 2.9 mi/kWh and we know that is not close to highway efficiency.
I think the Subaru Outback should be on your list. It's a VERY common sight in my neck of the woods.I think they can do both. The market for premium off road capable vehicles, regardless of whether people take them off road or not, seems pretty significant. That same clientele seems to like luxury features, so self driving is likely to be an important future purchase decision attribute for them.
Just to put in a base for some numbers. The Jaguar Land Rover group alone sold 431k vehicles in FY 23/24 of which only 67k were Jaguars, the rest were Discovery (46k), Defender (115k) and Range Rover (204k) brand sales. To that we can add sales (I couldn't be bothered to go hunt down these numbers) of the higher spec off road models from Toyota/Lexus such as 4Runner, Land Cruiser, GX, etc, upper range Jeep models along with a number of other brands playing in this space. Then we have all the other off road positioned vehicles that overlap with the R2/R3 price range. So a large total available market for off road capable vehicles that Rivian can take a slice of.
So I don't see Rivian backing away from the Adventure branding, along with producing vehicles that are genuinely capable of off road performance, any time soon; even as they put a lot of focus on autonomy. Some years down the road they still have the option to create something like JLR's Jaguar brand without giving up what is associated with Rivian today. I mean they already ALSO have a related bicycle brand
"Up to" should be no surprise. It's a ubiquitous term throughout marketing. In our litigious society, the first person who got 399 miles would initiate a class action.
And it is interesting they say "up to".
I bet if you get some aero covers, you could easily hit the 4 mark. Since BMW has already pretested the car to EPA standards and is not publishing final numbers yet in the USA the number could go up, i suspect they took the average of the 2 lowest scores. I would not be surprised if it ends up being 425m.
