R2 buyers - will you wait for gen 3 hardware (including LiDAR)?

[elektrode]

Can’t even convince my wife to use the cruise control so there’s probably not much reason to wait.

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[mkhuffman]

Can’t even convince my wife to use the cruise control so there’s probably not much reason to wait.

Mine won't use cruise either but she has expressed an interest in self driving. I think she would use that.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

Can’t even convince my wife to use the cruise control so there’s probably not much reason to wait.

Mine won't use cruise either but she has expressed an interest in self driving. I think she would use that.

Do we all have the same wife? My wife has never used cruise control on ANY vehicle, because her mom never trusted it. And then she complains about her leg cramping during long trips.

 

[mkhuffman]

Do we all have the same wife? My wife has never used cruise control on ANY vehicle, because her mom never trusted it. And then she complains about her leg cramping during long trips.

Yep. Same wife. But I think she just doesn't want to bother with it. It doesn't seem to be a safety concern.

When she can tell the vehicle where to go and it just takes her there, then she may use it. I explained how self-driving would reduce her stress and she said "maybe I should get a Tesla". LOL. She hates to drive.

 

[mikehmb]

I don't personally have a use case for point-to-point autonomy so I'm not personally tied to Gen3 HW, but I'll likely end up waiting anyway, because my next Rivian is likely to be an R3 (despite having 2 R2 reservations).

 

[Just Passing By]

Been driving R1S for 3 years and will not wait for LIDAR. My practical question that can't be answered yet, " How much will a replacement windshield cost on the R2 with LIDAR? "
It's a minor detail but it definitely factors into the cost of ownership

The LIDAR unit is above the windscreen, not behind it.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

Yep. Same wife. But I think she just doesn't want to bother with it. It doesn't seem to be a safety concern.

When she can tell the vehicle where to go and it just takes her there, then she may use it. I explained how self-driving would reduce her stress and she said "maybe I should get a Tesla". LOL. She hates to drive.

I've had my Model 3 (Hardware 4) driving me around for 68% of my driving in the past month, since I got the FSD 14.2.x trial in late November. My wife will have none of it. She shakes her head, even though this thing has been right on the money, stopping at stop signs/stop lights, going through roundabouts, and even taking an 83-mile trip from our house to my parents' (along surface streets and interstates) without any driver intervention.

I'm so impressed that I signed up for the $99/month subscription (when my trial ends on January 7). I asked my wife if she wanted it on her Model Y (Hardware 3), and, well... you can imagine how that went

My FSD experience is why I won't settle for anything less with the R2 I have on order (well, $100 deposit on).

 

[Just Passing By]

I've had my Model 3 (Hardware 4) driving me around for 68% of my driving in the past month, since I got the FSD 14.2.x trial in late November. My wife will have none of it. She shakes her head, even though this thing has been right on the money, stopping at stop signs/stop lights, going through roundabouts, and even taking an 83-mile trip from our house to my parents' (along surface streets and interstates) without any driver intervention.

Just be cautious/prepared if you're ever heading into a setting or rising sun. I was a passenger in a friend's Model Y and yes FSD is impressive. However, on this occasion the FSD suddenly jerked and dropped speed as we were heading west on a freeway into a setting sun in otherwise clear driving conditions.

I don't know if FSD actually applied brakes or just applied aggressive re-gen but had my friend not responded very rapidly to resume speed in heavy traffic it could have resulted in being rear-ended. I won't rely on a camera/vision-only system for autonomous driving after that experience.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

Just be cautious/prepared if you're ever heading into a setting or rising sun. I was a passenger in a friend's Model Y and yes FSD is impressive. However, on this occasion the FSD suddenly jerked and dropped speed as we were heading west on a freeway into a setting sun in otherwise clear driving conditions.

I don't know if FSD actually applied brakes or just applied aggressive re-gen but had my friend not responded very rapidly to resume speed in heavy traffic it could have resulted in being rear-ended. I won't rely on a camera/vision-only system for autonomous driving after that experience.

I’ve driven in those conditions and at night with none of those issues. I will note, however, that HW3 vehicles are highly more prone to phantom braking, whereas I have had any such issues with my HW4 vehicle.

 

[Webleyaz]

Yesterday, my buddy let me sit in the left front seat of his new CT. It drove us through a 1-lane, hilly subdivision and to a shopping center parking spot. It was incredible. It was pulling into a spot next to a Honda with the door open and just stopped, possibly waiting but I hit the brake not willing to let it crash if it decided to. On the return trip it waited for an opening in oncoming traffic to cross a double yellow to get around a very good looking bicyclist. Rivian has some catching up to do. I'm hopeful that the litany of sensors will allow an experience at least as good as Tesla's some day s00n.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

Yesterday, my buddy let me sit in the left front seat of his new CT. It drove us through a 1-lane, hilly subdivision and to a shopping center parking spot. It was incredible. It was pulling into a spot next to a Honda with the door open and just stopped, possibly waiting but I hit the brake not willing to let it crash if it decided to. On the return trip it waited for an opening in oncoming traffic to cross a double yellow to get around a very good looking bicyclist. Rivian has some catching up to do. I'm hopeful that the litany of sensors will allow an experience at least as good as Tesla's some day s00n.

That’s my hope. Tesla’s FSD on HW4 vehicles is so good at this point that I expect nothing less going forward. The damn thing pulls out of my garage, and takes me anywhere I went to go and parks for me at my destination (curbside or in a parking spot). The other day, an ambulance came flying up behind me on a two lane road. The car put on its blinker, pulled to the shoulder to let it pass, then put its blinker back on to enter the roadway and continued. I just sat there with a stupid smile on my face while my wife rolled her eyes.

With LIDAR, I’m expecting Rivian to be as good or better.

 

[Webleyaz]

That’s my hope. Tesla’s FSD on HW4 vehicles is so good at this point that I expect nothing less going forward. The damn thing pulls out of my garage, and takes me anywhere I went to go and parks for me at my destination (curbside or in a parking spot). The other day, an ambulance came flying up behind me on a two lane road. The car put on its blinker, pulled to the shoulder to let it pass, then put its blinker back on to enter the roadway and continued. I just sat there with a stupid smile on my face while my wife rolled her eyes.

With LIDAR, I’m expecting Rivian to be as good or better.

My CT buddy has always been a Tesla/Musk fan. I am, too, but I needed a truck so I never bought a tesla. I find the CT to be a visual betrayal to decency so I can't own one. I was very excited to reserve an R1T back in the day but I never felt a need for any amount of fsd. Now, I see that I do need it. I believe most of the humans that experience what Tesla is capable of will seriously consider needing it, too. I won't always use it but by God, I need it.

 

[EVtowing]

On the return trip it waited for an opening in oncoming traffic to cross a double yellow to get around a very good looking bicyclist.

So it deliberately violated a traffic law, crossing a double yellow line?

Or is that legal in Nevada? Genuine question.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

So it deliberately violated a traffic law, crossing a double yellow line?

Or is that legal in Nevada? Genuine question.

How the heck do you expect to get around a cyclist on a two-lane back road (one lane going each way)? Run them over?

Of course, you have to ease across the double yellow to pass them. I do the same when there's a mail truck stopped putting mail into a roadside mailbox. I also cross the double yellow if someone is walking on the side of the road (if there's no sidewalk) to give them enough clearance. It's all common sense. Now I'm not talking full-on assault with my car fully across the double yellow, but enough to give room.

 

[Webleyaz]

It was in Az but no, not legal. It has Mad Max mode which is more like actual driving and less "robotic." He said when it drove him home on the interstate it would attempt to pass in either lane. In addition to selecting speeds as high as 13 over the posted limit. I'm sure you can tweak preferences and whatnot. He'd only had the truck less than 24 hrs when I got in it.

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