22" Scorpion tires are so fragile

[Ddowns2050]

20% range hit just doesn't make sense. I had the Defenders installed on our '22 Lightning Lariat ER and didn't notice any range hit. Now the Lightning was a 20" 116 tire. The Defenders weighted 5lbs more than than the stock General Grabbers. The Defenders on the Lightning were the best tires I've had.

So for the R1S with 22" rims the Defender (119s) weight just under 10lbs more per tire than the Pirelli MS. But you can run the pressures much higher.

I listed the mileage and battery percentage above so you can check my math. But what I listed is what my truck is doing.

I think rolling resistance is the biggest factor not necessarily the tire weight. As the tires get broken in, I’m hoping they do better and I think that they might. But as of right now, this is what I’m getting in my situation.

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[hammick]

I listed the mileage and battery percentage above so you can check my math. But what I listed is what my truck is doing.

I think rolling resistance is the biggest factor not necessarily the tire weight. As the tires get broken in, I’m hoping they do better and I think that they might. But as of right now, this is what I’m getting in my situation.

Well I certainly believe you. Have you had you Tri Max aligned since taking delivery? Ours was way off and the service center aligned for free.

My experience with these tires on our Lightning was night and day from what you are experiencing. Granted those were 20" 116H tires.

 

[CANCERDOC]

Correct if you get the 119 E load tires you need to run higher pressures. I do 60psi on them and they are just fine.

 

[CANCERDOC]

Any new tire will take a range hit due to just the increased tread depth. Rolling resistance comes from the taller tread squirm and the factory Pirelli 22’s are just 8/32 new. When worn down they deliver great range but then you’re rolling on 3/32. Any new aftermarket tire is 12/32 (street), 13-14/32 (e load) or even 15-16/32 for the off road AT tires. That alone will lead to higher rolling resistance and reduced range given how sensitive EVs are to that. I’m sure range will increase somewhat as the tires wear down.

 

[Ddowns2050]

Well I certainly believe you. Have you had you Tri Max aligned since taking delivery? Ours was way off and the service center aligned for free.

My experience with these tires on our Lightning was night and day from what you are experiencing. Granted those were 20" 116H tires.

I have not had it aligned, but my treadwear has been perfectly even all the way around and I now have 32,000 miles on the truck. It tracks and drives perfectly. I have tried air pressure anywhere from 65 down to 48 psi I wasn’t sure where I should run it with the new tires and was just experimenting and I really couldn’t tell much difference with the different psi settings.

The Perelli‘s that came on the truck are specifically designed to be for an electric vehicle so they probably have a very low rolling resistance and shallower smoother tread, but the trade-off is they wear out like crazy and they’re very expensive. The range loss normally won’t affect me but what does bother me a little bit is the suspension noise I’m getting. It’s not very much but just enough that I can hear it and I didn’t have it with the other tires. I did measure the Michelins and they come with 14/32 tread depth. So with a much more rugged and deeper tread design I think that’s most of it. I’m hoping when these tires wear down, the range will come back some like others have stated and it will be a little bit smoother and the suspension noise will go away. It’s already not as loud as it was when the tires were brand spanking new.

 

[hammick]

Well I was also interested in the Nokian HT Ones and the Outpost NAT. Both on backorder with no ETA according to discount tire. Looks like I need to stock up on tire plugs and wait this one out.

 

[Skeldog99]

200 miles on my new truck and have a front right air leak. Hate these tires

 

[oakhill5]

3rd puncture in less than 12k miles. This one was ridiculous though. A simple HVAC screw. Probably not even a 1/4" long. Really beginning to dislike these tires.

Luckily the air suspension and compressor makes repairs easy. Back on the road in 10 minutes after repair with my Neely kit.


had the same tires on my Range Rover. Two nails within 6 months then another nail in my rivian perellis a week after buying.

the second screw I got on my Range Rover perellis was so mild when I touched the screw it fell out of the sidewall That screw causes the tire to lose 10 psi week as I didn’t want to patch a sidewall

I have Toyo at3 E range on my ford lighting and I drive in construction zones for my work and haven’t picked up a screw over 22k miles.

I bought a plug gun when we had the Range Rover and works like a charm.l and just used it on the rivian and no problems.

so now that I’ve had two seperate vehicles with the same tires /problems I chalk it up to creating an incredibly light and soft tire that can’t give resistance to a sharp object.

 

[Skeldog99]

That’s the same area mines got the screw.

 

[1stPlace]

I went through two sets of OEM 22" Pirelli's over ~60k miles (down to 4/32) and never had a flat. I did four or five off roading events with them. I have since switched to the Michelin Defenders 115H simply because they seem good enough for mostly flat Michigan Winter conditions as well, so I don't have to keep switching to Nokian Hakka R5s. I could start a different thread re: bad luck with my windshield though. Drive well, everyone

 

[HaveBlue]

I had a nail on day two but caught it before it went through. A screw a few months later that I plugged. The heavier the tire, the more the drivability goes away. I've had all different AT tires in size and load rating on 4wheeling rigs.

Another tire similar to compare to the ltx MS is the Continental terrain contact HT. I think there's a 116 version. I'm looking at the AT version as a replacement. Michelin doesn't make an LTX AT in Rivian sizes but that's the best riding AT I've had.

 

[Dark Helmet]

I just traded a 2025 Dual Large R1T with 20,000 miles for a 2026 Dual Max R1T. The stock 22" Scorpions had 4/32 at trade in, original set. Never had an issue at all. They were quiet, tracked well, and my efficiency averages didn't waiver in any material way over the year of ownership. And quite frankly had I not really wanted to get a Max Pack, I'd have bought the exact same set of Pirellis because I needed every last mile of efficiency I could squeeze out of the Large battery.

The 2026 I purchased has 10/32. I intend to keep this truck longer, and unless there's another tire that gets me all the same qualities as the Pirelli for a lower price, I'll be that guy that forks over the premium. We tow a lot, so the mileage matters a LOT.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

It's a vehicle weighing over 7k lbs and tires that are as light as possible for sake of efficiency whilst still safe. So, why is it a shock that they are more prone to punctures than tires on previous cars? Not defending Pirelli, as I always thought of them as overpriced goods. It's just reality. Would you still have bought a R1 if it had less advertised range (due to tougher factory tires)?

 

[Ddowns2050]

I have the 119's. I have about a 20% decrease in range. I make the same trip several times a week and it without a doubt cut into the range. The tread is much rougher on the defenders and mine cause what sounds like a little vibration noise/ tire noise in the suspension that I didn't have with the 22 scorpions. Not bad but noticeable, I have the trimax R1T. I have no doubt these will last longer, the tread is much deeper on the defenders. With the perellis it took 15% or less each way and with the defenders 18-20% each way depending on wind , temp., etc. I have 2500 miles on the defenders.

Just a follow up on this. I now have about 6,000 miles on the defenders and they have smoothed out quite a bit and the range is now just slightly worse than the pirellis. So a big improvement with the defenders.

 

[Redline]

I had the 119's on my T and my S has the 115's. Great tire.

I'm probably on the last year of the stock tires...

I want the Defenders, but I don't think I want the extra weight of the 119s. Did you have any issues with the 115s? I wish they'd just make a 116 already.

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