I've gone on 2 road trips in my model y and have gotten 249 kWh at every v3 supercharger stop. Sure it only lasts maybe 2 minutes, but I've never needed to stop for more than 20 minutes. 40 minute stop I do for lunch gets me to 100% charge.
How so?
A Rivian can't use them.
Why? I ask again, what's the benefit? We know what the detriment is.
Having far more usable range. If you're only using 60% of your battery (20-80%), you're charging way more often than you need to and you're not benefiting from the long range
Oh? Will Rivian then be the only CCS equipped vehicle that can't use them? How does that work. S/W lockout?
No CCS (or any non-Tesla) vehicle can use Superchargers outside 10 stations in The Netherlands.
Perhaps when you get some experience actually driving BEV you will come to understand. It's not quite like what you are used to with ICE. There is no point in charging beyond 80% if I only need 80% to get me to my destination with what I consider to be healthy margin. Among other things adding the extra 10% can take a long time with taper. As I said you will come to appreciate this as you gain some experience.
And Rivian wouldn't be able to?
I'm extremely familiar with road tripping EVs. Drove 60k miles in my Tesla in 2020 alone, have road tripped my VW ID.4 and Mini Cooper SE. On road trips, I almost always pull into a DCFC with around 5% charge remaining and depart with just enough to make it to the next station unless I'm otherwise occupied with eating, etc. I start every day with 100% when leaving from home or hotel when on the road. Check out my YouTube channel below if you're curious about my EV road trip experiences.
Sharp eyes! But there is really nothing wrong here. A look at the SoC vs time chart reveals this:
![Rivian R1T R1S Rivian R1T charging curve test 20-80% [by TFL] R1TChg](https://cdn.rivianforums.com/attachments/13/13880-542d8da29504f006af8bfbe9eb89ba58.webp)
That's OK as I have said in several of these posts but to suggest that people are weird if they don't do that on a regular basis explicitly contravenes Rivian's and Tesla's recommendations with respect to battery management.
That was true only after they discovered they stuffed up and changed the S/W to lock out non Telsas. For a while there any (or many) CCS equipped cars were able to charge at SC. The point, of course, being that non-Tesla vehicles CAN charge at Tesla SC. This, of course, only makes sense as it would be very surprising of Tesla were not following CHARIN standards. They are a member.
Tesla and Rivian don't recommend charging to 100% daily, but if you charge to 100% on trips and don't let it sit there, it's completely fine.
Tesla Superchargers in North America use a proprietary plug and there is no way to activate the station to deliver power for a non-Tesla. So no, you cannot charge a non-Tesla at a Supercharger in North America. That could change in the future, but we're talking about the current reality here, not some possibility.
I think there a few circumstances that are all being lumped into one. Daily around town use with parking overnight wouldn't require one to charge to 100%, Rivian recommends 70% while Tesla and others are in the 80-90% range. Road trips or other circumstances when the battery will not sit topped off for hours can be 100%. DC charger to DC charger runs work "fastest" in the sweet spot of the charge curve where you're getting faster speeds. I'm not sure there's enough data out there to say the specific range but its clearly somewhere below 80% on the top end. The last one, charging station to station is all up to the driver, some want to optimize time and reduce every moment stopped. Others want to minimize stops together. I'm not sure there's one "correct" way to do it.
