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[hammick]

The best way to kill progress is to insist on 100% of a switch to something new.

The EV mandate was a myth with the exception of possibly California. Lots of misinformation on this topic spread by the anti-EV crowd.

Been driving EV’s for over five years now and we will not go back to ice until the Civil War starts. And all of those will just be long term loaners

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[savethemanual]

The EV mandate was a myth with the exception of possibly California. Lots of misinformation on this topic spread by the anti-EV crowd.

The anti-EV propaganda is heavily funded by the oil industry ya know, they planted seeds that those who don't do research and believe everything they read on the internet completely fell for.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

The anti-EV propaganda is heavily funded by the oil industry ya know, they planted seeds that those who don't do research and believe everything they read on the internet completely fell for.

Everything on freedom.eagle.com is true.

 

[mkhuffman]

The anti-EV propaganda is heavily funded by the oil industry ya know, they planted seeds that those who don't do research and believe everything they read on the internet completely fell for.

There is plenty of pro-EV propaganda as well, funded by the green industry, and it has heavily influenced political decisions for decades. Unfortunately.

 

[savethemanual]

There is plenty of pro-EV propaganda as well, funded by the green industry, and it has heavily influenced political decisions for decades. Unfortunately.

Sure, it certainly goes both ways. I would argue there's much more false information out there on the ani-EV side of things.

 

[mkhuffman]

Sure, it certainly goes both ways. I would argue there's much more false information out there on the ani-EV side of things.

If this becomes political, it will get removed. So hopefully we can just keep it factual.

What are the big propaganda messages being pushed by the oil industry? I am honestly curious, as I am not following them, so I don't know what they are saying.

 

[JohnB R1T]

Wind and solar is specifically used as a source of electricity to the EV chargers in many charging system companies. Admittidly oil is a must for many things, but less and less when options are chosen.

If it makes you feel better to believe this, then go ahead, but if you're talking about electricity from a power grid (as opposed to an isolated, standalone generation setup like you might find in the Outback in OZ) then the power in that grid is fungible.

A Kwh is a Kwh is a Kwh...no matter where it comes from. If a grid has one single megawatt of production from renewable sources, then as long as they don't "oversubscribe", then they can tell you that "your energy" comes from renewable sources. Incredibly, some people willingly pay extra for this assurance.

Something over 30% of Texas' electricity comes from renewable sources (mostly wind). As long as they don't make that "promise" to too many consumers... That their consumption, in the aggregate, comes from renewables, then that claim can be made.

A more accurate statement would be that "Your EV charger is specifically powered by fossil fuels to the tune of about 70% of your consumption"

 

[Dave Cundiff]

There is plenty of pro-EV propaganda as well, funded by the green industry, and it has heavily influenced political decisions for decades. Unfortunately.

What's the "green industry," @mkhuffman? What do you perceive to be the motivations of players in the "green industry" space?

Thanks in advance!

 

[savethemanual]

If this becomes political, it will get removed. So hopefully we can just keep it factual.

What are the big propaganda messages being pushed by the oil industry? I am honestly curious, as I am not following them, so I don't know what they are saying.

There are several, but one of the most prevalent I see is that EV's have a higher total lifetime carbon footprint because of mining/manufacturing the massive battery pack and charging with a grid that uses coal power plants.

Now I understand there are many that don't believe carbon footprints have anything to do with the rapid warming of the planet over the last 100 yrs....but that's an entirely different conversation and quite frankly will not engage with that one anymore, not worth my time.

 

[schwartz83]

Got me all riled up then I slowed down and read your post you are saying that the propaganda you've seen claims that evs have higher lifetime carbon emissions. Of course,There are plenty of non-oil industry sources that refute that point of view. Here's a link to one study: https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-electric-vehicles-definitely-better-climate-gas-powered-cars

Other propaganda I've seen is that the grid can't handle them and renewable energy. Certainly upgrades to the grid are needed.

Anyway, it's past nap time!

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Got me all riled up then I slowed down and read your post you are saying that the propaganda you've seen claims that evs have higher lifetime carbon emissions. Of course,There are plenty of non-oil industry sources that refute that point of view. Here's a link to one study: https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-electric-vehicles-definitely-better-climate-gas-powered-cars

Other propaganda I've seen is that the grid can't handle them and renewable energy. Certainly upgrades to the grid are needed.

Anyway, it's past nap time!

Those who subscribe to anti-green, anti-woke dogma do not believe in science anyway. They certainly won't believe anything out of the world's best university for science. I'd like to know how many of them actually drank bleach a few years ago and how that went.

 

[Greg Chick]

If it makes you feel better to believe this, then go ahead, but if you're talking about electricity from a power grid (as opposed to an isolated, standalone generation setup like you might find in the Outback in OZ) then the power in that grid is fungible.

A Kwh is a Kwh is a Kwh...no matter where it comes from. If a grid has one single megawatt of production from renewable sources, then as long as they don't "oversubscribe", then they can tell you that "your energy" comes from renewable sources. Incredibly, some people willingly pay extra for this assurance.

Something over 30% of Texas' electricity comes from renewable sources (mostly wind). As long as they don't make that "promise" to too many consumers... That their consumption, in the aggregate, comes from renewables, then that claim can be made.

A more accurate statement would be that "Your EV charger is specifically powered by fossil fuels to the tune of about 70% of your consumption"

Details do exist on everything, behind the public awareness or understanding.
As well details and facts matter, but,
Saying "if it makes me feel better" is usually a dogwhistle methon of minimizing a statement or comment. I hope it made you feel better to post that reply.

 

[savethemanual]

Hey look, California was on to something....

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(25)00257-8/fulltext

 

[Yossarian]

If this becomes political, it will get removed. So hopefully we can just keep it factual.

What are the big propaganda messages being pushed by the oil industry? I am honestly curious, as I am not following them, so I don't know what they are saying.

AI generated but broadly accurate:
The American Petroleum Institute (API) is running "Lights on Energy" and "
When America Builds, America Wins" campaigns, eight-figure, multi-year initiatives designed to promote U.S. oil and natural gas production, push for infrastructure permitting reform, and influence policy. These campaigns feature television, digital, and podcast ads targeting policymakers and voters in key states, highlighting energy security and economic growth.

An API-affiliated group runs "Energy Independence" campaign ads frequently on nearly all the cable news channels. I suspect many of us have seen the ads multiple times. They feature clips of most recent US Presidents saying that the country needs to become energy independent, with a voice-over tagline that says something like "they all said it, now it's time to do it." What the API apparently wants is less regulation over oil and gas extraction, but the ads focus only on the rather ambiguous term "energy independence" and descry that at least as far as the API is concerned, the presidential promises remain unfulfilled.

The US arguably became energy independent (again) in 2019 when for the first time since 1957, the country's energy exports exceeded imports. While it's true that the US imports more crude oil than it exports, what the API ads don't mention (along with the fact we are the world's largest exporter of energy) is that this is because their member companies want access to imported crude for their specific refining purposes. I'll spare everyone any further boring details about US energy production and use, and say only that at best, the API ads are one-sided and a strong argument can be made that they are highly disingenuous.

I'm unaware of a similar eight-figure campaign - or even a much smaller one - by "green energy" lobbying groups. If any such campaigns exist, I'd welcome information about them.

 

[Greg Chick]

Hey look, California was on to something....

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(25)00257-8/fulltext

I guess this "Will make me feel better", and it does, so thank you for the posting the facts as existing and referencable.

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