Step in height for R2. Please help

[nbet28]

Go sit in a kneeled r1 it's probably not too far off now

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[Alan in Tempe]

That's fair. But the RWD Standard isn't going to be available for another year. And since it doesn't have active suspension it's not clear to me the ground clearance will be the same as the Launch Edition - and we won't find that out for a long time.

The R2 does NOT have active suspension. An active suspension can raise or lower the ride height. The R1 does have such an active suspension. The R2 has an adaptive suspension which can change the dampening rate of the shock, but has zero effect on the ride height. The adaptive suspension available in the R2 can make the ride more comfortable or stiffer, on or off road, and slightly improve traction.

 

[dleepnw]

The real question: is there an A-pillar grab handle?

No A-pillar grab handles. Doesn't have any grab handles at all, which I think is odd.

 

[VSG]

The R2 does NOT have active suspension. An active suspension can raise or lower the ride height. The R1 does have such an active suspension. The R2 has an adaptive suspension which can change the dampening rate of the shock, but has zero effect on the ride height. The adaptive suspension available in the R2 can make the ride more comfortable or stiffer, on or off road, and slightly improve traction.

You missed the point - I was saying the RWD doesn't have the same suspension as the LE, which is why we can't assume the same ground height. This thread isn't about suspension, it's about step-in height. My point, again, is that measuring the step-in height for the LE does not *necessarily* tell you what the step-in height for the RWD will be, so if step-in height is a dealbreaker, then don't pre-judge the RWD based on the currently-available LE model.

Technically I should have said "semi-active" suspension if you want to be pedantic, because that is what Rivian calls it, but I was referring to the difference between the RWD and the LE, where the RWD is NOT (semi-)active while the LE is.

I was in no way referring to the R1 airbags, which Rivian calls an "air suspension". Rivian does not refer to its R1 suspension as an "active" suspension. I don't see how anyone could have infered that I was claiming the LE had a full airbag syspension like the R1.

 

[mcdaniken]

You missed the point - I was saying the RWD doesn't have the same suspension as the LE, which is why we can't assume the same ground height. This thread isn't about suspension, it's about step-in height. My point, again, is that measuring the step-in height for the LE does not *necessarily* tell you what the step-in height for the RWD will be, so if step-in height is a dealbreaker, then don't pre-judge the RWD based on the currently-available LE model.

Technically I should have said "semi-active" suspension if you want to be pedantic, because that is what Rivian calls it, but I was referring to the difference between the RWD and the LE, where the RWD is NOT (semi-)active while the LE is.

I was in no way referring to the R1 airbags, which Rivian calls an "air suspension". Rivian does not refer to its R1 suspension as an "active" suspension. I don't see how anyone could have infered that I was claiming the LE had a full airbag syspension like the R1.

I agree. There MAY be differences in step in height between LE and RWD. But LE at least gives me a starting point... something I dont have now. And I would be surprised if the step in height difference between LE and RWD is more than an inch or so.
In either case, nobody seems to have this info. I pinged Rivian itself to see if somebody can answer what should be a simple question.

 

[mkg3]

I agree. There MAY be differences in step in height between LE and RWD. But LE at least gives me a starting point... something I dont have now. And I would be surprised if the step in height difference between LE and RWD is more than an inch or so.
In either case, nobody seems to have this info. I pinged Rivian itself to see if somebody can answer what should be a simple question.

I would think that, literally in a matter of few weeks if not sooner, your local Space would have the R2 so that you can see for yourself.

I was told by my local Rivian Space that they will have on sometime in March.

 

[Mos Eisley]

No A-pillar grab handles. Doesn't have any grab handles at all, which I think is odd.

 

[ebellinder2]

My wife and I are getting older and getting in and out of very tall (or very short) vehicles is getting harder. If anybody is at SXSW with a measuring tape, I would be eternally grateful if they could measure the step in height. Thanks in advance.

Good question as my wife is under 5’. Gets into model y fine but had to add running boards on R1t ( or use kneel mode which I dont want to do) to make entry and exit easy for her. Would like to see comparison to a model Y for step in height as it is being compared in many other specs to the R2

 

[VSG]

Doesn't have any grab handles at all, which I think is odd.

We used to call those "panic handles", because that's how they were used when riding with someone who wasn't a very good driver.

 

[ebellinder2]

I see grab handles above front and rear seats in the photo, I think?

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

Agreed. I put down my deposit 11/24. I like almost everything about the R2. I dont need AWD and I think the LIDAR and upgraded computer, long term will be beficial to the driver. Unlike most apparently, I am very interested in the self driving aspects yet to come. I have glaucoma which may someday rob me of my vision. With advanced L3 and L4, a blind man could concievably still be "driving".

Giving people mobility back who have lost it for whatever reason will be an amazing thing. I hope it comes soon.

 

[windblowlc]

You missed the point - I was saying the RWD doesn't have the same suspension as the LE, which is why we can't assume the same ground height. This thread isn't about suspension, it's about step-in height. My point, again, is that measuring the step-in height for the LE does not *necessarily* tell you what the step-in height for the RWD will be, so if step-in height is a dealbreaker, then don't pre-judge the RWD based on the currently-available LE model.

Technically I should have said "semi-active" suspension if you want to be pedantic, because that is what Rivian calls it, but I was referring to the difference between the RWD and the LE, where the RWD is NOT (semi-)active while the LE is.

I was in no way referring to the R1 airbags, which Rivian calls an "air suspension". Rivian does not refer to its R1 suspension as an "active" suspension. I don't see how anyone could have infered that I was claiming the LE had a full airbag syspension like the R1.

There would be no difference in ground height. R2 RWD will have the same step in height vs LE because they both don't have air suspension to raise/lower. They all have fixed height coil spring set up. I have no doubt Rivian will use the same coil springs for all R2s based on Rivian's offroad/adventure ability. It would make no sense otherwise.

 

[VSG]

For the "semi-active" parts of the suspension to have any effect, there needs to be a significant difference in the load/shock absorbed by the coils. That is, if the coils are doing 90% of the work then the active components can't affect the suspension much. Maybe this whole assembly is a unit, and you can just swap it out and keep the same ride height. Or maybe there are some additional changes as well to reduce manufacturing costs on suspension parts that don't have to be as complex as in the semi-active case. I don't know enough to make that conclusion. But I do know for sure that canceling a reservation right now or not making a reservation right now or buying a different car right now based on the incomplete information we have is a decision that many people will regret down the road. That's what happened with the R1, where it turns out the internet rumors and opinions weren't always true.

 

[Mos Eisley]

I see grab handles above front and rear seats in the photo, I think?

Correct.

 

[mcdaniken]

For the "semi-active" parts of the suspension to have any effect, there needs to be a significant difference in the load/shock absorbed by the coils. That is, if the coils are doing 90% of the work then the active components can't affect the suspension much. Maybe this whole assembly is a unit, and you can just swap it out and keep the same ride height. Or maybe there are some additional changes as well to reduce manufacturing costs on suspension parts that don't have to be as complex as in the semi-active case. I don't know enough to make that conclusion. But I do know for sure that canceling a reservation right now or not making a reservation right now or buying a different car right now based on the incomplete information we have is a decision that many people will regret down the road. That's what happened with the R1, where it turns out the internet rumors and opinions weren't always true.

Not sure who this was directed at, but I have NO plans to cancel my 11/24 reservation before I have all of the information and have test driven the exact model that I want. However, if it is too high to enter and exit easily, that is a daily use issue that I can't deal with. It would be similar to a vehicle with not enough headroom. Running boards are an option. But this vehicle is right up against what Im willing to spend already. Adding another $1k or $2k (or more) to the price for running boards may be a bridge too far.

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