Am I the only one who thinks anything less than 400mi of range is legacy at this point?

[kurtlikevonnegut]

Maybe if you have health issues but I can easily do 4 hours without a stop and I've done even more.

Your parents must be incredibly proud.

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[macb00kemdanno]

My 2025 Gen 2 R1S however isn't nearly as performant. Over 12 months of the same use as the Cybertruck I'm averaging 1.5 mi/kwh. On my 109 kwh "Large" pack that's about 160 miles of real-world range. Yes, it's closer to 1.2 mi/kwh in winter for about 120 miles of range and 1.8 mi/kwh in summer for nearly 200 miles of real-world range. In no case, on properly inflated 22" all seasons, does it come close to the EPA rated range of 300+ miles. So it's become a running around town/short distance vehicle which is fine for toting the kids around but not usable at all for road trips.

That seems REALLY off. I don't recall seeing other R1S/R1T owners reporting range THAT bad.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

There is a large consort of the population that still things "We have to make good time", for whatever reason. My wife is one of these people. I used to be one of these people. It took about 2 road trips to realize that on our normal (4x a year) 600mi one way road trip.......that it took us an extra 90min in the EV. Went from 9hrs to 10.5hrs. What the hell were we rushing for? So we could sit at the hotel for an extra hour? Get 90min more sleep in the morning?

lol getting 90 minutes more sleep is kinda important. I don’t get to my destination in good time to sit in a hotel room. Who does that? I get there to do the stuff I want to do at the destination.

 

[BannedByTMC]

Your parents must be incredibly proud.

Does that mean yours are disappointed? I'm fairly certain that most people go more than 3 hours without a stop.

 

[HighRoad]

For the rest of us who don't live in snow, a 300 mile range is getting beyond some of our bladder ranges.

 

[j.w.s]

Living in the northeast, cold climate, I won't buy an EV with less than 400 miles of range at this point. I just think it's too problematic especially in cold and especially as the car (batteries) age. Long drives in winter you get 30-50% range degradation, it's 2026, how is it that all batt packs aren't at least 400miles+?

For me:

300 miles of range < 400 miles of range < 300 miles of range + 500KW charging + chargers every 10 miles on the freeway

And we need smaller, lighter, and more aerodynamic cars (he says, owning an R1S)

 

[2kwik4u]

Are any of your charging stops at places that don't have anything to do there? That's when I'd want faster charging. That plus longer range gives you more flexibility in your stops. Sometimes we have to make a stop where there's no-where to charge, and that just means that entire time stopped is wasted time that we're still going to have to do again to charge.

Most of them are near gas stations. We've grown to be fans of Sheetz because of charging stops.

Most are also sub 30min total time. It takes that long to get a wife, 2 boys and a dog into/out of the truck and get a bathroom break/snack for all. I mean, unless I treat it like I'm a drill sergeant, then we CAN do it faster, but all it adds is anxiety and stress for no real gain.

 

[2kwik4u]

lol getting 90 minutes more sleep is kinda important. I don’t get to my destination in good time to sit in a hotel room. Who does that? I get there to do the stuff I want to do at the destination.

On a 9hr trip you have time alotted on either end of the travel to "do the stuff"?!?! You're not getting that 90min of extra sleep in the morning anyway, or your stuff to do is in the night time.

While we might not sit in the hotel room, we certainly aren't planning any excursions or important activities on long travel days. So, without those important activities, the 90min difference is far less critical.

 

[ENVErider]

That seems REALLY off. I don't recall seeing other R1S/R1T owners reporting range THAT bad.

Agreed, I'm at 2.3i/kW-hr lifetime on 20" AT wheels in a Gen1 quad that doesn't have the heat pump improvements the Gen2 has.

 

[lunchbox]

I 100% agree. My winter highway speed range loss is like 40-50% and definitely a bit of a drag on long trips which we do often. Way worse than I expected.

I want genuine gas-tank parity. In winter, gas-tank parity is 400-450 with G1 chemistry and that is what I want to see. It is already frustrating that you have to worry you are damaging your battery when you use the full range.

Faster charging does not help much because public charging is pretty awful: there are not enough of them, most of them are not fast enough already, and they are not reliable (to say nothing of the fact that they are often littered, poorly lit, and in bad locations).

This is the one thing GM understands about EVs imo.

 

[Der]

Does that mean yours are disappointed? I'm fairly certain that most people go more than 3 hours without a stop.

I think you’d be wrong thinking “most people”.

 

[pearbaron]

I remember buying my 2018 Model 3, which had 310 mile epa range and 400V charging speed. I think it cost somewhere in the low $50Ks.

8 years later, today, I’d argue it’d be hard to find a new EV with 300+ miles range and 400V charging that costs in the low $50Ks.

8 years later, why aren’t EVs cheaper for the core EV specs?

My 2018 Model 3 has 85% of the original 311 miles. Charging to the recommended 80% give 211. I don't like getting below 20% so actual usable normal range is 170 miles or less.

 

[Zoidz]

Driving and safety studies have come up with various recommendations. After 2 to 3 hours driving they recommend taking a 15 minute break for mental clarity. I usually target 3 to 3.5 hours regardless of what vehicle I am driving. There will be "manly men" who insist they are fine after 4 or more hours. But the reality is you often don't recognize that your senses & reaction are lagging and wandering a bit. Between needing to stretch and flex my bones and keeping alert, I'm fine with my range requiring a stop every 3 to 4 hours. Most people I talk to agree that 3 hours is their limit.

 

[NeedSumCoffee]

I personally drive less than 50 miles per day. 200 mi range and charging twice a week is plenty for me. I don’t want to pay for a 120kwhr battery tha gives 400mi of range that I never use.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

Driving and safety studies have come up with various recommendations. After 2 to 3 hours driving they recommend taking a 15 minute break for mental clarity. I usually target 3 to 3.5 hours regardless of what vehicle I am driving. There will be "manly men" who insist they are fine after 4 or more hours. But the reality is you often don't recognize that your senses & reaction are lagging and wandering a bit. Between needing to stretch and flex my bones and keeping alert, I'm fine with my range requiring a stop every 3 to 4 hours.

I have a wife, a 10-year-old, and a 13-year-old. If we don't stop every 2.5 to 3 hours for a breather, it gets pretty untenable in the car

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