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I don’t see any scenario where a well‑optioned max‑range model comes in anywhere near the stated $60K MSRP. That number is about as realistic as the mythical $45K R2 being available anytime soon. A few on here insist it will. We'll see.

My dealer’s GM is already saying the first well‑equipped builds, with market valuation added, will land around $75K+. YMMV.
Then you buy an EX60 which is as well equipped (if not better for the stereo) as the Performance R2, has the fast charging, has three interior colors that are no cost options and all paint colors are included (as per the Canadian configurator).
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So how many BMW iX3 50, Volvo EX60 and Mercedes Benz GLC EV are going to make it into the US in 2026?

It seems many are assuming that if R2 doesn't pan out for them for any reason, then they can go and buy one of the competition. All these vehicles, including R2, are likely to see far higher demand than there will be supply.

For example, BMW's Hungary factory is supposed to be sold out for 2026 and its still in production ramp, not running at its annual full capacity of 150k. According to InsideEVs reporting from the earlier posted link , "American-spec iX3s are expected to start rolling off the assembly line in early September, with the first customer deliveries in the U.S. scheduled for late September or early October." So pretty much just one quarters worth of whatever has been allocated to the US.
 

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Did he get 507 miles of actual range?!
He got 508 miles at 80kph / 50mph in Efficiency Mode!

He got 538 miles before the iX became undriveable (when he ran out of battery charge completely - at 30 miles past when charge said 0%)
 

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So how many BMW iX3 50, Volvo EX60 and Mercedes Benz GLC EV are going to make it into the US in 2026?

It seems many are assuming that if R2 doesn't pan out for them for any reason, then they can go and buy one of the competition. All these vehicles, including R2, are likely to see far higher demand than there will be supply.

For example, BMW's Hungary factory is supposed to be sold out for 2026 and its still in production ramp, not running at its annual full capacity of 150k. According to InsideEVs reporting from the earlier posted link , "American-spec iX3s are expected to start rolling off the assembly line in early September, with the first customer deliveries in the U.S. scheduled for late September or early October." So pretty much just one quarters worth of whatever has been allocated to the US.
FWIW the US allocation from Debrecen should be not too far from the same as the number of R2s built this year (~20K). There are going to be three factories producing the iX3: Debrecen already online, Shenyang coming on in a few months to produce teh long wheelbase Asia version, and the San Luis Potosi coming on next summer primarily to serve the Americas. The capacity is around 500k a year across those (Debrecen will also be produce iX4). So if you want one this year it will feel pretty constrained no matter what you are trying to buy. Next year, nbd.
 

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FWIW the US allocation from Debrecen should be not too far from the same as the number of R2s built this year (~20K).
That ~20k seems a bit optimistic, but good luck to you if the BMW is on your shopping list. If we assume Debrecen ramps to 3 shifts to run at maximum production rate for September, October and November then that would be 37.5k total cars, primarily produced for EU, UK and US, based on the annual maximum capacity of 150k at that plant. Any cars produced in December are unlikely to make it to the US before 2027.

Given the strong demand in the EU and the UK, it seems unlikely >50% of maximum rate production would get allocated to the US for those months. Also as you mention the iX4 is supposed to be ramping in Debrecen in November, the introduction of which is likely to impact production capacity as they set up the line before November, and take away production capacity for iX3 50 specifically once the line is running. Supply is likely to continue to be tight into 2027 if reports of Mexico only ramping in August 2027 are accurate.
 

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That ~20k seems a bit optimistic, but good luck to you if the BMW is on your shopping list. If we assume Debrecen ramps to 3 shifts to run at maximum production rate for September, October and November then that would be 37.5k total cars, primarily produced for EU, UK and US, based on the annual maximum capacity of 150k at that plant. Any cars produced in December are unlikely to make it to the US before 2027.

Given the strong demand in the EU and the UK, it seems unlikely >50% of maximum rate production would get allocated to the US for those months. Also as you mention the iX4 is supposed to be ramping in Debrecen in November, the introduction of which is likely to impact production capacity as they set up the line before November, and take away production capacity for iX3 50 specifically once the line is running. Supply is likely to continue to be tight into 2027 if reports of Mexico only ramping in August 2027 are accurate.
Quite a few on here are planning to delay R2 purchase until sometime next year to get RAP1 and all the alleged improvements they think any upgrades will bring. By that time iX3 production will be in full flow. As for cost differences BMW are cheaper for paints and have three interior choices which are also likely cheaper than Rivian so the gap could close even before leasing deals etc.
 
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Quite a few on here are planning to delay R2 purchase until sometime next year to get RAP1 and all the alleged improvements they think any upgrades will bring. By that time iX3 production will be in full flow. As for cost differences BMW are cheaper for paints and have three interior choices which are also likely cheaper than Rivian so the gap could close even before leasing deals etc.
I was going to say the same. The (what are we calling this the Gen 2 R2, the complete Gen 1?) R2 with RAP will not be ready until then anyway. 2027 is my target window for making a move. iX3 is a very compelling alternative because of range and charging speed. The data says you can add around 200 EPA miles in about 1/3 of the time (9 min vs 26 min) based on the latest range data. Some do not care but hard won experience over the past decade tells me both are a big deal.
 

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I was going to say the same. The (what are we calling this the Gen 2 R2, the complete Gen 1?) R2 with RAP will not be ready until then anyway. 2027 is my target window for making a move. iX3 is a very compelling alternative because of range and charging speed. The data says you can add around 200 EPA miles in about 1/3 of the time (9 min vs 26 min) based on the latest range data. Some do not care but hard won experience over the past decade tells me both are a big deal.
Fast charging doesn’t matter to me so much but the EX60 and iX3 are compelling options.

BMW: Fast charging, 400+ mile range, 4.6s 0-60, $60k ish, base spec with cheap color options

Volvo: Fast charging, 330 mile range, 4.6s 0-60, $58k ish, good spec (glass roof, heated/cooled seats, premium stereo) with cheap or free color options

Rivian: medium charging, 330 mile range, 3.6s 0-60, $58k ish, good spec (comparable to Volvo) with potentially $2-4k for paint and interior color options.

Depending on what is important to you, you have choices.
 

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Rivian has/had to alter the front end of Euro-destined R2's to meet the same standards for pedestrian safety- it's one of the reasons they mounted the hood/seam as they did.
I was pointing out that the regulation is stupid and unnecessary. We can't make vehicles pedestrian proof. If you get hit by a 4,000 lbs vehicle, it is going to be bad. Should the government mandate foam on the front of all vehicles? Maybe they can put air bags on the front instead. Stupid. Accidents happen. We don't need to regulate everything.
 

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Quite a few on here are planning to delay R2 purchase until sometime next year to get RAP1 and all the alleged improvements they think any upgrades will bring. By that time iX3 production will be in full flow. As for cost differences BMW are cheaper for paints and have three interior choices which are also likely cheaper than Rivian so the gap could close even before leasing deals etc.
Sure, if people are either delaying purchase to 2027, or have no choice because they are too far down the reservation list, then additional choices become available. BMW will have its iX3 40 and Rivian will have its Premium and Standard models for example. I was just pointing out the realities for 2026.
 

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Volvo: Fast charging, 330 mile range, 4.6s 0-60, $58k ish, good spec (glass roof, heated/cooled seats, premium stereo) with cheap or free color options
The Volvo that piques my interest is the P12 400 mile range version 3.8 second 0-60 and especially the Cross Country trim.
 

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I just added my name to the list at my local BMW dealer. No deposit. No idea how many people on the list. We will see how this goes.
 

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The Volvo that piques my interest is the P12 400 mile range version 3.8 second 0-60 and especially the Cross Country trim.
Agree, didn’t include that as I wanted to showcase the models at a comparable price. P12 would add $5k.
Also can add an other category to cover autonomy, servicing, brand, etc.
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