Anyone have R2 highway driving range to share? (I'm sure the color you picked looks great)

[NY_Rob]

If this is the typical result, its very poor for a 2027 EV, regardless of tire/wheel setup.

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[ksurfier]

2023 Gen 1 Quad with 128 kWh pack could hit 230 miles using 100% range at 75 mph. It was rated 276 miles so 83% of EPA range.

If we use 88 kWh pack and 307 EPA range, we can say R2 gets 225 miles at 75 mph, which is only 73% of EPA range drop of 10%).

an additional check using the 2026 DM standard, EPA is 258 miles, actual 75 mph is 191, so 74%, which is very similar to R2…just a different (less accurate) way to calculate range.

An additional data point:
R1 average efficiency
Quad 2.3 x 126 =289.8 (>100% EPA)
DM standard (LFP) 2.3 x 91 =209.3 (81% EPA)
R1S cda = 0.95 vs 2.2 MPK

R2 cDa = 0.84 vs ? MPK, possibly 10-20% more efficient than R1? If so, 2.5 to 2.75 MPK x 88 = 220 to 242 miles (72 to 79% EPA, which generally agrees with calculated value for DM standard).

Model S cDa = 0.55 vs 3.0 MPK

 

[hsctiger]

I am a regular user of ABRP and find it is highly accurate for planning trips.

Sorry. What's ABRP? I still use PlugShare from time to time but find my MS Nav does a really nice job getting me where I need to go on long trips.

 

[Millbarge]

That may be true, but it wasn't my point. In fact it strengthens my point that despite all the data (France and England are in a heat state of emergency right now), the climate seems to be low on the list (or missing from it entirely) of most people's reasons to go EV.

No one has to justify their reason to want an EV, and any individual's reasoning, if they are willing to share, does not have to line up with your reasoning. Just like anything else.

 

[mkg3]

Correct. The law of physics is universal. The question is why hasn't Rivian figured out how to make it work better when others have....

 

[TeslaFan]

worth mentioning the Tesla 3/Y AWD is just that. vs Rivian's R1, and R2 in regular mode will disengage one of the motors for efficiency. Creating a greater need for tire rotations more often.

Model Y - 330mpge using AWD @70mph. Maybe using chill mode.
R2 - 330mpge using ECO mode (rear motor only) @70mph

 

[ksurfier]

Correct. The law of physics is universal. The question is why hasn't Rivian figured out how to make it work better when others have....

Tesla made physics work by designing low, slippery cars; Rivian chose tall, capable adventure vehicles. That means the starting geometry is much less forgiving, and R2 is an attempt to claw back efficiency without giving up the SUV/adventure package. Everything considered, it’s impressive that R2 is at least 20% more efficient than R1 and only ~20% less efficient than a Model S. And for those who can slow down on the highway, the range should be at least 250 miles.

 

[tivoboy]

Sorry. What's ABRP? I still use PlugShare from time to time but find my MS Nav does a really nice job getting me where I need to go on long trips.

A better route planner.. it’s a website and a great app for plotting EV vechicle driving and charging.. much more capable than any OEM app, Rivian liked it so much THEY BOUGHT THE COMPANY.

It’s free to use, but paid for some enhanced features.. although many of the legacy enhanced features have been rolled into the free unpaid version of the app.. but making an account is suggested.

 

[NY_Rob]

Tesla made physics work by designing low, slippery cars; Rivian chose tall, capable adventure vehicles. That means the starting geometry is much less forgiving, and R2 is an attempt to claw back efficiency without giving up the SUV/adventure package. Everything considered, it’s impressive that R2 is at least 20% more efficient than R1 and only ~20% less efficient than a Model S. And for those who can slow down on the highway, the range should be at least 250 miles.

100% agreed!

Once you start putting w-i-d-e tires on your vehicle it really increases drag, as does frontal area and anything else that interrupts the airflow over, under and around the vehicle. It's also heavy so higher energy requirements starting and changing speeds. IMO, 2.6m/kWh at 75+mph is really decent for a mid-size SUV.

 

[mkhuffman]

Sorry. What's ABRP? I still use PlugShare from time to time but find my MS Nav does a really nice job getting me where I need to go on long trips.

Not much to add to @tivoboy's response except this picture:

It is an excellent app for trip planning. The web site has all the functionality of the app. I paid for a subscription so I can link my truck to the app. It tracks all my activity including drives and charges. I also pay for Rivian Roamer, which has better tracking. But it is nice to have the data in ABRP also.

 

[mkg3]

Tesla made physics work by designing low, slippery cars; Rivian chose tall, capable adventure vehicles. That means the starting geometry is much less forgiving, and R2 is an attempt to claw back efficiency without giving up the SUV/adventure package. Everything considered, it’s impressive that R2 is at least 20% more efficient than R1 and only ~20% less efficient than a Model S. And for those who can slow down on the highway, the range should be at least 250 miles.

I am formally educated both BS and MS as aeronautical engineer and have worked over 30 yrs in the aerospace industry. Quite aware. While form factor is a major contributor, there are so much more.

Not interested in comparing to Tesla. Rivian needs to make the R2 competitive to all others, not just Tesla, iX3 as an example.

 

[ksurfier]

I am formally educated both BS and MS as aeronautical engineer and have worked over 30 yrs in the aerospace industry. Quite aware. While form factor is a major contributor, there are so much more.

Not interested in comparing to Tesla. Rivian needs to make the R2 competitive to all others, not just Tesla, iX3 as an example.

I am formally educated both BS and MS as aeronautical engineer and have worked over 30 yrs in the aerospace industry. Quite aware. While form factor is a major contributor, there are so much more.

Not interested in comparing to Tesla. Rivian needs to make the R2 competitive to all others, not just Tesla, iX3 as an example.

sounds like you should go ahead get the Ix3 then, you can capitalize 10% better efficiency, always trader offs, Rivian gave me a BMW loaner once, too futuristic for me…

 

[Effopec]

I actually prefer EV road trips. A full day of driving usually looks like this: Leave in the morning with a full tank. Drive 2-3 hrs, stop for bathroom & coffee break, 10 minute charge. Drive another couple of hours and stop for a ~45 minute lunch. That gets me charged up near 90% where I can repeat the same thing in the afternoon, and again after dinner if I want. Stopping to stretch for a few minutes every couple of hours lets me drive a longer day without feeling like I was in a fight at the end of the day. In the end an EV roadtrip is probably ~10% longer than a splash and dash ICE trip, but you still have to eat and use the bathroom so the difference isn't too bad. What I did in a two day drive is still a two day drive.

A guy told me recently that he wouldn't buy an EV until it had 1200 mile range. He was serious.

 

[B_Wagon136]

I have the same requirement of 300 miles at 75 mph which is really 330 miles because your (very sensible) wife I am sure means she can drive 300 miles and still have enough energy that she is not panicking as you roll into a charge station on limp mode.

The only SUVs that will do that are the iX3, and the EX60 P12. On a good day with favorable winds and a higher altitude you can kind of-sort of coax that out of an R1S DM Max pack. (Drop speed to 70 at it will do it.)

R1S dual max here. Got 358 miles on a door-to-door non stop trip three times now - so holding 75mph for 4 hours is easily attainable (will prob burn ~350 miles of range for the 300mi covered at that speed).

 

[mkg3]

sounds like you should go ahead get the Ix3 then, you can capitalize 10% better efficiency, always trader offs, Rivian gave me a BMW loaner once, too futuristic for me…

I am not in the market for any SUV. Already have R1S and don't need another. I am a Rivian shareholder and have a great interest in Rivian doing well. My original comment was aimed at the overall product competitiveness against other cross shopped vehicles.

If the product falls short of expectations of many shoppers, Rivian will not do well. Range is one of those big expectation item.For Rivian to increase its addressable market and the marketshare, they need to at least match, if not better the similar priced competitors - which there are quite a few around $45~$65K price range. If the typical real range is 250 miles, it is not good by any measure today.

While product placement maybe spot on, as an adventure vehicle, the most off road vast majority of people Rivian is trying to sell R2.will see are shopping center parking lots. For those, they are either the first time EV buyers or those that have range anxiety.

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