Point to Point Assisted Driving coming later this year. Widespread rollout in 2027.

[Dennisis]

I have Gen 1 so it doesn't affect me but I don't believe Rivian has the talent or data that Tesla has to even come close to what FSD is offering. I drove a M3 HW4 back in February with FSD and was blown away and the versions coming out now are far better. Rivian can't even recognize a traffic light and has to rely on the car in front to move for it's "Go Chime" feature. Prepare to be underwhelmed when they do the rollout.

Ultimately insurance companies or the gov't is going to step in and regulate everything.

Tesla went through this same process to get where they are today. Of course Rivian is behind but I expect them to learn from Tesla’s progress. But they need to keep the driving experience alive, not as Tesla has chosen to take all driver input as error - all their speed issue crap has made me long for the basics.

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[Outdoors]

Tesla went through this same process to get where they are today. Of course Rivian is behind but I expect them to learn from Tesla’s progress. But they need to keep the driving experience alive, not as Tesla has chosen to take all driver input as error - all their speed issue crap has made me long for the basics.

I feel so liberated now that I can go 73 or 74. Just got a R1S last week.

While I will admit I love HW4 driving on Tesla. Point to point even on my NF Fire roads. With a decade of Tesla and more than a half a million AP miles driven. I would say Rivian is 2 years behind, and in much need of fleet data from the R2. Not sure how big the team is behind the scenes and ability to process that data. So my 2 year thought could be way off because of that.

 

[Rksue1]

I don't think there is enough information to suggest that it won't roll out to all R2s. It could be a different release schedule for R2 vs R1T vs R1S for all we know. Regardless, I'd rather have it rolled out when it's right then too soon, then have it stopped and delayed. Remember that whether we own Rivian stock or not, everyone that owns a Rivian needs Wall Street to not pound them based on this roll-out for the sake of their future viability.

My 2 cents are that it will be region based for R2's only in 2026. It will most likely be CA, WA, TX to start.

You should test drive a new Tesla. The system is very confidence inspiring. Definitely feels safer than my kids, my wife and I. I was shocked at how good it was. Of course it’s only safe until something weird happens, but one can clearly see that it is only a matter of time before no human participation is required, ever. If Rivian has the cash to invest one assumes they will achieve the same result eventually.

I was given a new model y while they were replacing my glass. What a huge difference in self driving. They also updated mine to anew software package so I have been impressed. It’s great if you don’t mind how it drives on busy on/off ramps.

R2 premium with launch package? Is there such a thing? I thought launch package was perfomance only.

Yes it’s performance only. For the price difference and having driven a Tesla for 6 years I’m going performance package.

 

[iansriv]

This seems to be a similar feeling. I also wonder if the Rivian/Uber R2 deal will also decrease the overall value of the vehicle longterm.

I've wondered that too but, Germany has so many MB taxies and that hasn't seemed to impact the value of the cars.

 

[TimK]

I'm currently in a HW3 Model 3 and have FSD. I use FSD quite a bit. Is it nice to have? Yes, is not having it a deal breaker? No. Until last fall I had Advanced Autopilot which it seems is equivalent to the current Rivian ADAS and frankly I'm OK with that. Having the car take over in stop and go and long drives on Highways is plenty for me.

 

[Zorg]

My view is that supervised city FSD is fairly useless to me. However I love ADAS on the freeway as it's less tiring and safer. Now, a level 4 PTP ADAS would be awesome but I believe we are a few years away. That would open so many more possibilities.

 

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Well that's disappointing. They kept insisting it was rolling out this year. I guess technically the can say they are right but if its not in all delivered R2s that sucks. Also 2027 is an extremely vague timeline for full rollout.

I've felt for a while that they're not as far along on this as they claim to be. And they're hoping that getting all these new vehicles on the road will somehow give "exponential growth" towards reaching their goal. At the same time, considering how many safety factors are involved in this, let's not rush it.

 

[tkauftheil]

P2P doesn’t really do anything for me, it would be a nice to have but I’m fine with out it too.
My one big question is how it would handle getting on and off toll roads. Some are pay by plate and some still have attendants.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Phew. It’s a good thing no one gave up their licenses.

 

[Dennisis]

After years of FSD all I want is solid predictable highway drives with steady speeds, I can wait on anything more than that.

 

[Zevo]

Hot take that would absolutely make heads explode:
Rivian releases the premium model in November/Early December with Lidar/RAP1 included while still offering non-RAP1 LE performance models. At the same time they release point to point capability only for those R2's with LIDAR/RAP1 as the models aren't optimized for the 'current' chipset. They then use the expanding R2 LIDAR fleet for validating the models while they are refined down to something that runs on the 'legacy' chips.

 

[Eric9610]

Hot take that would absolutely make heads explode:
Rivian releases the premium model in November/Early December with Lidar/RAP1 included while still offering non-RAP1 LE performance models. At the same time they release point to point capability only for those R2's with LIDAR/RAP1 as the models aren't optimized for the 'current' chipset. They then use the expanding R2 LIDAR fleet for validating the models while they are refined down to something that runs on the 'legacy' chips.

I agree with the 1st half of your comments but not the later. It is unrealistic to expect anything major with a new chip set with tons of unknown. It's more likely that the G2 and 2.5 get it sooner and LiDar cars get it later. Remember all the data today is G2-2.5.

 

[Weck]

I have Gen 1 so it doesn't affect me but I don't believe Rivian has the talent or data that Tesla has to even come close to what FSD is offering. I drove a M3 HW4 back in February with FSD and was blown away and the versions coming out now are far better. Rivian can't even recognize a traffic light and has to rely on the car in front to move for it's "Go Chime" feature. Prepare to be underwhelmed when they do the rollout.

Ultimately insurance companies or the gov't is going to step in and regulate everything.

Most recent update added stop lights and traffic cones to the drivers display on my gen 2, it shows position and color of the lights. Watching it, it reacts very quickly when the light is going from green to red, but seems to take a hard 3 seconds count going the other way, probably by design.

Most of the time it's accurate, but yellow flashing left turn lights don't render properly yet.

 

[runwithscissors]

Most recent update added stop lights and traffic cones to the drivers display on my gen 2, it shows position and color of the lights. Watching it, it reacts very quickly when the light is going from green to red, but seems to take a hard 3 seconds count going the other way, probably by design.

Most of the time it's accurate, but yellow flashing left turn lights don't render properly yet.

But does it ding if I'm not paying attention and there's no car in front of me at a red turned green light? I want an alert based on traffic light color, not movement from a car in front of me. It's the Go Chime feature I was referring to.

 

[srkz]

I agree with the 1st half of your comments but not the later. It is unrealistic to expect anything major with a new chip set with tons of unknown.

You assume they're still developing models for the Gen 2 chipset right now. They've been talking about RAP1 publicly for 8+ months now, which means they've been developing it for longer. I think it's entirely possible that they've spent the last 6 months developing a much larger model for RAP1 using their existing training data, and that gen 3 vehicles will ship with it on day one.

Remember what RJ said a year or two ago, that they were going to launch R2 with a mid-price option? Not the most expensive one, but the one they thought the most people would enjoy? And then we got the stop-gap "gen 2.5" performance launch edition which is in fact the most expensive trim? I say it's because they missed their deadline on the one they actually intended to launch with, which is the R2 Premium (with lidar and RAP1) and the current Launch Edition is just a hodge-podge stopgap to meet their June target and stem the bleeding revenue-wise.

I agree that the 2027 R2 Premium will launch as soon as gen 3 is ready (December of this year) and that the 2027 Performance will remain available for purchase as the gen 2.5 Launch Edition up until spring or summer of next year, and that there won't be any other 2027 R2 Performance available except the gen 2.5 Launch Edition. Then when they announce the 2028 model years, they'll also announce the 2028 R2 Performance RAD with tri-motor and gen 3 autonomy (oh yeah, remember how R2 was supposed to have a tri-motor option...?) alongside the R1 series upgrade to gen 3.

I'm actually 100% with Zevo on this one. Just follow your nose by sniffing for Tesla's stink - when they released HW4 that left all the HW3 owners in the dust, they eventually went back and released a distilled "FSD lite" version of the cutting edge model that was close but not quite as good.

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