R2 overhead window switches: backwards?

[macb00kemdanno]

You could still get used to that.

One of the most fascinating videos I've watched in a while. Seeing him try to ride a "normal" bike in Amsterdam

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[CrazyOne]

personally, I don't have an issue with current regulation. it's only an issue if you've mistakenly assumed that the direction of motion of the control correlates with the direction of motion of the controlled surface as opposed to push/pull actions correlating with open/close.

Agree, most safety regulations are written in blood.

 

[SANZC02]

People are obviously missing the benefit of how those overhead switches work. If you roll the vehicle and it is sitting on the roof they will be perfect.

 

[LevelHeaded]

I recall reading somewhere that RJ had the same reaction and thought it was backwards. But the design team argued that it was consistent with the other switches (press to open, pull to close).

Not to mention, exactly the same as 4Runner rear window switches have always been.

Same muscle movement to open all windows - push to open, pull to close.

 

[Jeremy3292]

What next? You gonna tell me that the R2 LE backlog has been fulfilled?

CHILL

 

[CharonPDX]

It’s hard not to when every interior power window switch I’ve ever seen (hydraulic or electrical) operated in the intuitive fashion: move switch up to make window move up and move switch down to make window move down. Yes, you can learn that it’s different on the overhead switches but that doesn’t make it good design and it won’t be truly intuitive.

You haven't had certain brands of vehicle, then. I've had vehicles that the window switches operated "backward" from what you're expecting - as the window switches on the door panel.

And please look up was "gaslighting" is. Telling you "that's the way it's intended, therefore it isn't backward" isn't gaslighting. Gaslighting would be telling you "your experience is incorrect - the overhead window switches work exactly the way you say you want them to work."

Your "they don't work the way I expect them to work" is absolutely a valid opinion. But it's also something Rivian doesn't have control over using that style of window switch. (They could have used "sliding forward/backward" switches instead of the same style as the door-panel window switches; but because they used door-panel-style, they don't have a choice in which way they function.)

 

[ZheWiz]

My F150 Lightning has a ceiling mounted switch for the rear slider window. It's also "backwards" - up = open, down = close. I'm still not used to it and have to think every time I open the slider. I'm trying to train my brain that it's push to open, pull to close...then it's just like all the others. So far the "old dog/new trick" saying applies - this old dog can't learn this new trick. Good news is, if one way doesn't do what you want, there's only one other option.

 

[mclark2112]

The back hatch button on BMWs feels backward to me as well, but at least I could code that to the "right" way.

 

[VSG]

People are obviously missing the benefit of how those overhead switches work. If you roll the vehicle and it is sitting on the roof they will be perfect.

They wouldn't understand, it's a Jeep thing ...

 

[electruck]

guys, let's give SoCal Rob a break here. He's a long time valued forum member who has been caught off guard by vehicle regulations that resulted in a control that's not working the way he expected. he's not here to rage bait.

 

[drivetorun]

Thank goodness the OP never drove a mid-2000s Mercedes...blue was the turn signal stalk, green was the cruise control stalk. Meant that if you held the steering wheel at 10 and 2, you literally couldn't reach the turn signal, and very well may inadvertently set the cruise control instead.

 

[GABarber]

Yes, backwards. Literally: up=down and down=up. Regardless of the rationale, don’t try to gaslight.

I’d like to see the wording that applies this to overhead switches. Assuming it still applies, that rationale makes sense but there are ways around it. Rivian could've added guards to prevent any accidental activation at all.

Making the switches operate backwards from all other power window switches doesn’t seem like a rational way to improve safety across all scenarios. I can see someone closing when they think they’re opening at an inopportune time. Hopefully the auto-reverse would prevent problems, just as it should if the switches behaved consistently and intuitively.

 

[Dark-Fx]

guys, let's give SoCal Rob a break here. He's a long time valued forum member who has been caught off guard by vehicle regulations that resulted in a control that's not working the way he expected. he's not here to rage bait.

Or is he?

 

[Millbarge]

Or is he?

It's EXACTLY what he WANTS you to think...

 

[GABarber]

Yes - i thought that was confusing and stupid - first they reused the door switch - instead should have used something appropriate for an overhead with a toggle up for open and down for close. I was one of my first test drive confusions and made me curious about how competent in UI their designers were

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