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Because ISEECARS does not know how many miles a vehicle has driven. They have no data on this. They have a stupid metric that involves looking at used cars for sale. If you know anything about 2018-2022 tesla were in high demand. People were selling them for what they paid because there was a...

IIHS claims that tesla fatality rate by vehicle is below average. Makes sense for a car with modern safety features and best in class emergency braking. ISEECARS refuses to respond about how they calculated their data. When you use the data for tesla mileage provided by lars moravey, the...

That is absolutely not dangerous. It's not unsupervised but it is not dangerous. By that definiton will rivian ADAS be dangerous when it is allowed on any roads because it does not stop for a pedestrian? Or a school bus? Of course not These are supervised systems. Tesla never claimed FSD was...

i'm not blaming the bus driver. This is a set up test from the dawn project which does not reflect the real world FSD sometimes does not stop for a school bus on a 4 lane highway. 2 lane is not an issue in normal circumstances. This road happens to be a little wide as there is room for cars to...

yes it did. That's any easy case to supervise FSD. I mentioned earlier that school bus is one of the limitations. plus you're so ignorant that you don't know that FSD already DOES stop for school buses. The issue in this context is he had to park the bus on the side of the road to make FSD...

That's the dawn project. Useless to post anything from him. He literally made a superbowl ad of FSD running over children by stepping on the accelerator pedal. His argument is that FSD should not allow you to step on the accelerator pedal. That's ridiculous. you can literally hit a child in a...

School zone is a very strict rule, i.e. you go 20mph and not 1 mph over. It takes a lot of parameters and it's relatively not a hard problem compared to fundamentally driving in a safe way. Besides a school zone is a thing that many people go an entire year without ever driving through Plus...

Because FSD doesn't make mistakes anymore that cause it to hit curbs, cars, pedestrians, etc. FSD doesn't actually fuck up in ways that are not obvious. For example, FSD does not slow down for a school zone predictably and speed up at the end. It also does not always stop for a school bus...

Except they literally don't. It's an ignorant study. https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/01/11/tesla-fatality-rates/

Because a lot of accidents are at low speed with no injury. I had a car totaled because someone backed up into it on the side of the road. At probably 10mph Airbag deployments are the main accidents that cause injury. Tesla is looking at safety at highway speeds. most accidents on highways are...

I think the biggest issue with this thread and in general is people are shockingly ignorant about self driving. They think because an automaker like rivian struggles with basic lane centering on highways that city driving is more dangerous. Just because a system centers itself well on highways...

You refuse to accept only 2 people died from FSD. And FSD is not killing people. 1 of those deaths was not the fault of FSD. You refuse to accept that a website called tesladeaths.com is not here to make tesla look good. They are just doing the honest thing and independently verifying every...

you refuse to accept an independent website designed to show every death caused by a tesla. As it is biased somehow? FSD saved 40 lives. You just won't accept that's the case Because FSD is a human experiment designed to kill people. As you put it you're just acting ignorant at this point...

You don't want to accept that a company builds their own ADAS and autonomy features and it is safe. You don't want to accept it because this is a significant advantage in the future compared to companies who are clearly very behind on this. Even the ceo of Lucid Motors has said that self...

Musk is not reliable. He makes all the claims he wants on twitter. Tesla generally does not lie. Musk made puffery statements about how they'd have self driving in 2017. He was very wrong. Tesla does not publish false information on their website A company can say all they want about how good...

They are combined on the report because tesla is showcasing their general technology. FSD is safer than autopilot. In fact FSD accidents are probably very low Tesla showcases their general technology of autopilot, FSD, automatic emergency braking, etc. They don't go into how any of it works...

Autopilot technology is both FSD and autopilot. It is tesla's ADAS reporting. These accidents are reported to the NHTSA as required by the standing general order. Tesla is not hiding any accidents. As long as they happen with in 5 seconds of disengagement they are reported unlike rivian who...

Because Tesla shares accident stats and you find they are not reliable enough. Tesla shares the data they have and you won't accept it because tesla looks good. you won't accept that tesla is driving for billions of miles and accidents happen Rivian can't accumulate this many miles because...

you're just talking shit. 2 people died. In 4 billion miles. Where are those 40 other people who didn't die? 90% of accidents are caused by human error. Computers don't get tired. https://www.tesladeaths.com/miles If you look here they take any opportunity (when tesla shares mileage of tesla...

Read my full comment. That was navigate on autopilot. Basically tesla has a product called autopilot which has very old perception from 2017. Tesla used FSD for city streets driving only and the autopilot product would switch on when FSD entered the freeway/highway. These are both...