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Based on some hiccups in the lease process I've seen reported it's probably a good idea that this effort started small. But agreed the specific line-up of States is kind of surprising. That too.

This is a choice on their part. Arbitrary. The point of having non-transferable reservations was to avoid selling (scalping) reservations. That has zero bearing on me leasing the vehicle.

No he's absolutely wrong, as anyone who knows anything about lease accounting can attest.

Because from the auto manufacturer's standpoint a lease is simply a sale at the price negotiated in the lease transaction. There's no difference from a corporate finance or earnings POV between a sale to me directly at $80k and a lease to me with a 'sale' price of $80k.

Again, you're missing the point: from Rivian's POV there's no difference. It's a sale at $80k-ish either way. That's it. Literally. No difference to them.

LOL. Please stay silent as opposed to revealing yourself a fool. I've worked for two decades doing sale leasebacks in all manner of asset classes. I understand deeply what a lease is, how they're accounted for, etc etc etc. For an auto manufacturer, a lease is not different than a sale. Full...

Tell me you know nothing about corporate finance and leasing without telling me you know nothing about corporate finance and leasing. Hint: there's no difference to the company. They book a sale whether selling directly or leasing.

Same. See my thread here: https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/leasing-not-offered-at-pre-price-hike-prices-for-reservation-holders.23530/ So fucking stupid. If you know anything about leasing and corporate finance, there's no difference. If they're willing to sell me a vehicle at $80k...

My guide just confirmed - they even went back internally to make absolutely sure: "I was able to confirm from our teams that, unfortunately, we do not offer leasing to those with pre-March pricing updates. I apologize for the inconvenience this may cause. " So fucking stupid and frustrating...

I will definitely report back!

My guide got back to me to say that she wasn't positive either way and so was going to check and see. I'll ping her again this week if no word back.

Mine is in the process of trying to confirm either way. Leasing off pre price-hike pricing would be amazing.

I hope this is a temporary oversight on Rivian's part. I've emailed my guide to ask whether I can lease my pre-price hike config (or lease an R1S from the shop, but at pre-price hike prices).

Can you walk me through how it shows this? And also how it differentiates say L3 and L2 chargers? Like I see the red bubbles with numbers. I click on one. I see 250kW max, 150kW, 72kW. So is 250 L3, 150 L2, and 72 L1? And I'd need to see 400 for a Magicdock???

Thanks for all the comments. I appreciate the thoughts. I think something that's still sort of sticking in my mind is that we're soon to have kids in college, and if the R1S remains our only vehicle - as hoped - then it's possible if not likely that I'll want that marginal extra range in the Max.

I'd more likely swap to actual snow tires here in New England, but I hear you.

Heh it's a deal

Doh! You're right. Realized that I clicked from one 22 to the other rather than to the 21. Hmmm. So yeah maybe I take the "free" 21s, spend that $ for now on the exterior color I want, and get the Dual Performance/Max, then buy a snow tire/wheel set...

From the 22s? What form has your experience taken? Not doubting, honestly asking. I see the EPA estimate stays the same for 21 and 22.

Yup I am coming from a Model Y so that's my take too. I'd love more firm dates for the network opening up and adapters being sold, but I may have to hit Go before that.