All Terrain mode with Performance Package Upgrade

[Samazon]

Hello, newbie to the forum. I am only interested in specs of the R1T with Dual motors Large and Max Packs. I'm trying to figure out if it's worth buying the $$$ Performance upgrade if I already have the All terrain Package in my R1T. I can't get a customer service representative at Rivan that knows if the Performance Upgrade works in All Terrain driving modes. Does anyone know if you still get the Performance HP and Torque curves in slow off road type drive modes, situations? I'd like to have the extra HP and torque while off roading. Does anyone know for sure what happens to the Performance Package if you are off roading at slow speeds? Thank you so much.

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[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Performance upgrade is more about unlocking more peak power. 665 hp and 829 lb-ft vs 533 hp and 610 lb-ft. And Sport mode is where all that power is available to you, until software reigns you in for sake of thermal protection of the motors & inverters and for safety. And maximum available power is reduced in Off-Road, for safety. Even at reduced power, there will still be at least 500+ ways to harm yourself.

Worth is subjective. Only you can tell whether that is worth the cost to you.

 

[TTedP]

1st post!

With the All Terrain option, you get a few extra off-road drive modes unlocked (at least I did on my DM R1T) that would normally only show up in the regular DM R1 with a Performance upgrade. Sand mode I think it was.

Also if you didnt notice it yet, you get a full size spare (R1T) and the reinforced under body with AT package.

 

[2kwik4u]

I'm leasing a non-performance dual motor R1T with the All Terrain package. 20in wheels, onboard compressor, full-size spare, front tow hooks, and underbody protection. I also do an offroading event a couple times a year in PA with the Rivian. This last event there was another owner that had a quad motor and just traded for a performance dual motor.

The time before last while my truck was in service I got a 1st gen Performance dual motor R1S that had the All Terrain package.

SO, with that context I have a few thoughts.

1st......You don't need any more HP or Torque for off road use. Even climbing hills, and sand dunes, you're going to have more power than you can put down with the non-performance dual motor truck. I went everywhere the quad motor trucks went, and there was never a lack of power in my truck. I've heard/read some feedback that the dual motors are actually a little easier to drive because they have more stall torque that can be directed to any single wheel than the quad motors have, so things like powering over larger rocks, or hanging a wheel in the air, stopping and restarting are just as easy, if not easier in the dual motor.

2nd.....You can definitely "feel" the difference between the performance and the non-performance dual motor in all drive modes. My non-performance truck is noticeably "laggy" compared to the performance SUV. Mine is still absurdly quick for a 7k lbs truck, but it's not as quick as the performance one. Even in "All Purpose" mode you can tell there is more torque available on the performance model.

3rd....The difference isn't worth $5k to me. If it's available when you buy the vehicle, get it, if you have to buy it outright it just isn't worth it. The difference between a non-performance dual motor and a quad motor in the first generation of a Rivian is about 1 one second 0-60, and you're still under five seconds. That's more than adequate to grab that merging lane off a stoplight against all by the fastest of street cars. Especially if you catch a good light. The only time you really notice a functional difference is about 60mph. The performance duals, tri's and quads continue to pull all the way to the limiter. The non-performance duals kind of fall on their face against the aerodynamic drag of driving a brick shaped vehicle.

4th......Tire selection has a larger impact on efficiency than motor configuration. The loaner quad motor R1S in "All Purpose" mode was getting around 2.2-2.3 mi/kWh, while my dual motor has a lifetime average of 2.1mi/kWh over 36k miles. The difference is the quad motor is on 21in all purpose tires, and I'm on 20in all terrain tires. SO.......if you want performance AND range. A Tri motor with max pack and 21in tires is likely the play. If you're sticking with AT tires, then there is little/no difference between a tri/max combo and a dual/max combo in real world use. The tires will suck the efficiency from the truck, and it won't matter which motor setup you have.

Whether it's "worth it" or not to get the performance upgrade is hard to say. There are many of us that are perfectly happy with our non-performance duals, and there are many of us that wouldn't ever think of owning anything other than the quad motor variants. Like people say in the boat industry though "I've never heard someone complain about too much horsepower".

If I was to buy a new Rivian right now.......I would get a 1st gen quad motor with the large battery pack, then run AT tires in the winter and street tires in the summer.

 

[Samazon]

I'm leasing a non-performance dual motor R1T with the All Terrain package. 20in wheels, onboard compressor, full-size spare, front tow hooks, and underbody protection. I also do an offroading event a couple times a year in PA with the Rivian. This last event there was another owner that had a quad motor and just traded for a performance dual motor.

The time before last while my truck was in service I got a 1st gen Performance dual motor R1S that had the All Terrain package.

SO, with that context I have a few thoughts.

1st......You don't need any more HP or Torque for off road use. Even climbing hills, and sand dunes, you're going to have more power than you can put down with the non-performance dual motor truck. I went everywhere the quad motor trucks went, and there was never a lack of power in my truck. I've heard/read some feedback that the dual motors are actually a little easier to drive because they have more stall torque that can be directed to any single wheel than the quad motors have, so things like powering over larger rocks, or hanging a wheel in the air, stopping and restarting are just as easy, if not easier in the dual motor.

2nd.....You can definitely "feel" the difference between the performance and the non-performance dual motor in all drive modes. My non-performance truck is noticeably "laggy" compared to the performance SUV. Mine is still absurdly quick for a 7k lbs truck, but it's not as quick as the performance one. Even in "All Purpose" mode you can tell there is more torque available on the performance model.

3rd....The difference isn't worth $5k to me. If it's available when you buy the vehicle, get it, if you have to buy it outright it just isn't worth it. The difference between a non-performance dual motor and a quad motor in the first generation of a Rivian is about 1 one second 0-60, and you're still under five seconds. That's more than adequate to grab that merging lane off a stoplight against all by the fastest of street cars. Especially if you catch a good light. The only time you really notice a functional difference is about 60mph. The performance duals, tri's and quads continue to pull all the way to the limiter. The non-performance duals kind of fall on their face against the aerodynamic drag of driving a brick shaped vehicle.

4th......Tire selection has a larger impact on efficiency than motor configuration. The loaner quad motor R1S in "All Purpose" mode was getting around 2.2-2.3 mi/kWh, while my dual motor has a lifetime average of 2.1mi/kWh over 36k miles. The difference is the quad motor is on 21in all purpose tires, and I'm on 20in all terrain tires. SO.......if you want performance AND range. A Tri motor with max pack and 21in tires is likely the play. If you're sticking with AT tires, then there is little/no difference between a tri/max combo and a dual/max combo in real world use. The tires will suck the efficiency from the truck, and it won't matter which motor setup you have.

Whether it's "worth it" or not to get the performance upgrade is hard to say. There are many of us that are perfectly happy with our non-performance duals, and there are many of us that wouldn't ever think of owning anything other than the quad motor variants. Like people say in the boat industry though "I've never heard someone complain about too much horsepower".

If I was to buy a new Rivian right now.......I would get a 1st gen quad motor with the large battery pack, then run AT tires in the winter and street tires in the summer.

Awesome feedback, thank you so much. My R1T is a 2024 Dual Large Pack w/ All Terrain package on 20's. So according to your experience with all of the above you did notice a significant performance difference when driving "on the street" in a R1S with the performance upgrade. However, is that extra performance package even active or useable if you are crawling along at 5 miles an hour on a 4x4 road? So far I can't seem to get that information for sure confirmed by an actual user or Rivian representative. This is my frustration. It should be a simple yes or no but Rivian support keeps dodging the question. Does anyone on this forum or an employee that actually works in the engineering and software department at Rivian, specifically know the answer to my question?
Thanks again.

 

[Samazon]

1st post!

With the All Terrain option, you get a few extra off-road drive modes unlocked (at least I did on my DM R1T) that would normally only show up in the regular DM R1 with a Performance upgrade. Sand mode I think it was.

Also if you didnt notice it yet, you get a full size spare (R1T) and the reinforced under body with AT package.

Full size spare is a must if off roading or just road tripping.

 

[2kwik4u]

However, is that extra performance package even active or useable if you are crawling along at 5 miles an hour on a 4x4 road?

It's not usable, or noticeable at 5mph on the trail.

Have a look at this album. I did everything there and MIGHT have gotten to 25% throttle. There is no appreciable difference when on the trail between any of the 4 powertrain options.

The extra power is available, you'll likely never be in a position to use that extra power.

So far I can't seem to get that information for sure confirmed by an actual user or Rivian representative. This is my frustration. It should be a simple yes or no but Rivian support keeps dodging the question. Does anyone on this forum or an employee that actually works in the engineering and software department at Rivian, specifically know the answer to my question?
Thanks again.

The extra power is available in all drive modes. You won't need it or use it on the trail.

 

[RIV1]

I have that exact setup…2025 R1T Dual w/Mac battery, all terrain package w/performance upgrade. You can definitely feel the difference and is it worth it…well, I seldom use it. It’s great to scare passengers, especially hot rodders. Would I do it again, yes, because I’m an old hot rod guy, but for off roading…I can’t see a need. Just to much power, torque. I bought my truck with the 20s, have the spare, but run 22” wheels for efficiency in the spring/summer months. Enjoy

 

[Samazon]

It's not usable, or noticeable at 5mph on the trail.

Have a look at this album. I did everything there and MIGHT have gotten to 25% throttle. There is no appreciable difference when on the trail between any of the 4 powertrain options.

The extra power is available, you'll likely never be in a position to use that extra power.



The extra power is available in all drive modes. You won't need it or use it on the trail.

Incredible trip and info you shared thank you. After doing the course what was the general consensus of the best setup for off roading in the R1T? Dual Motor stock, Dual motor Performance, or Quad Motor?

 

[Samazon]

I have that exact setup…2025 R1T Dual w/Mac battery, all terrain package w/performance upgrade. You can definitely feel the difference and is it worth it…well, I seldom use it. It’s great to scare passengers, especially hot rodders. Would I do it again, yes, because I’m an old hot rod guy, but for off roading…I can’t see a need. Just to much power, torque. I bought my truck with the 20s, have the spare, but run 22” wheels for efficiency in the spring/summer months. Enjoy

Thanks! Yep that is exactly what I am doing. I'm going to use the truck this season and see how it goes off roading stock configuration first. My gut is telling the performance upgrade is for pavement and track. What kind of long range are you getting with the 22" wheels, I think that is money better spent than a performance upgrade?

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Thanks! Yep that is exactly what I am doing. I'm going to use the truck this season and see how it goes off roading stock configuration first. My gut is telling the performance upgrade is for pavement and track. What kind of long range are you getting with the 22" wheels, I think that is money better spent than a performance upgrade?

You do not get full power in all-purpose or off-road. And software limiter in off-road is even lower than all-purpose. It a new car company with countless unavoidable liability risks. The last thing they need is a suit accusing them of being reckless by allowing full power in any situation. None of the specifics of each drive mode have been published, but general info have been discussed, with some in the owner guides. We know each mode has their own profiles for power, traction and stability controls, so suspension and throttle mapping.

 

[RIV1]

Thanks! Yep that is exactly what I am doing. I'm going to use the truck this season and see how it goes off roading stock configuration first. My gut is telling the performance upgrade is for pavement and track. What kind of long range are you getting with the 22" wheels, I think that is money better spent than a performance upgrade?

I’m getting 420 with the 22” inch vs about 360 with the 20” off road tires

 

[RIV1]

Thanks! Yep that is exactly what I am doing. I'm going to use the truck this season and see how it goes off roading stock configuration first. My gut is telling the performance upgrade is for pavement and track. What kind of long range are you getting with the 22" wheels, I think that is money better spent than a performance upgrade?

I’m getting 420 with the 22” inch vs about 360 with the 20” off road tires

 

[RIV1]

Thanks! Yep that is exactly what I am doing. I'm going to use the truck this season and see how it goes off roading stock configuration first. My gut is telling the performance upgrade is for pavement and track. What kind of long range are you getting with the 22" wheels, I think that is money better spent than a performance upgrade?

that wheel/tire upgrade is more worth it. I don’t find the road to be a rough ride as others have mentioned. But with that said, I recently had a Gen 1 loaner and that drive/rides like a truck. The Gen 2 is a much more refined ride.

 

[RIV1]

Thanks! Yep that is exactly what I am doing. I'm going to use the truck this season and see how it goes off roading stock configuration first. My gut is telling the performance upgrade is for pavement and track. What kind of long range are you getting with the 22" wheels, I think that is money better spent than a performance upgrade?

Here’s my current setup for reference.

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